Random Cataclysm discussion

[Correction]

God was more interested in taking our money than saving our souls anyway. There was an IGN interview from 10 years ago that's a direct quote

"Render unto God what is God's"

[Slott]

God and science had a merger, now the parent company of science is only interested in the quickest route possible to becoming rich. LAZY ASS RELIGIONS. I CANT BELIEVE MONKEYS AND HUMANS BOTH HAVE HANDS. THEY SHOULD HAVE THOSE CLAW THINGS FROM THOSE ARCADE GAMES BUT THEN EVEN THAT WOULD BE JUST REUSING ANOTHER IDEA.

[Celeste]

I tried coming back to World of Warcraft last month, but I found the zones to be dull after the 4th or 5th grind through them. I'm really excited about Azeroth being revamped. I'll definitely give the game another whirl when Cataclysm is released.

[medze]

Personally, I love these changes. I don't like 25-man raids, I have a low tolerance for stupidity and just people in general. This will let me avoid some more people and I already have a decent small group of people to play with. Currently we're putting 3 nights a week into 25's and then only getting one night (if that!) to put into our 10-man, which just isn't happening. One lockout for 10's will give us up to 4 nights to work on content if we really want to get it done, sounds good to me.

I have to agree. There's a lot of legwork involved to even get a 25man raid together. Generally, at least on my server, you're going to have at least 5 of those 25 who are just stupid players. Even end-game guilds on a lot of servers have several players who aren't at the same level as the rest.

For me personally, the 10mans have an added benefit as I prefer to pvp/arena. As it stands now, some items from pve (25mans) are best in slots for arena. These are mainly trinkets (solace, dfo, dbw) but also jewelry and even some armor from 25man raids is ideal in arena. For a small pvp guild, its much more desirable to be able to obtain these items in a 10man setting rather than having to pug a 25 man group or settle for playing with people who are going to make mistakes (a lot of mistakes)

[Plow]

Yeah well if all the people who created WoW and those other games left before BC, I sure like the people making WoW now more than them. I didn't play in vanilla but everything I see of it playing alts and hear of it from old players sounds like it's nothing special and another terrible grindy MMO.

Yeah, I would pretty much describe it as:

Vanilla = What EQ2 should have been

TBC = What EQ2 could have been

LK = What WoW should have started out as

[Kaylia]

Yeah well if all the people who created WoW and those other games left before BC, I sure like the people making WoW now more than them. I didn't play in vanilla but everything I see of it playing alts and hear of it from old players sounds like it's nothing special and another terrible grindy MMO.

I started with WoTLK, but yeah, I never felt like I missed on anything. Making grinding easier is a good thing. I still pay for the game, I just don't hate it.

Sure, 40m raids kinda sound epic...or at least, it sound epic until you realize how much of a pain it is to deal with large group of people online. Aside this...what else am I missing? The sense of accomplishment that make me feel like a special snowflake? I will pass.

[Plow]

40 mans really didn't feel that much different, there was more space but pretty much exactly enough to fit in 15 more people.

[Klistel]

god damn having to switch to a goblin for enhancement do not want.

[Tajin]

Waiting out on new races for shaman, space cows do not want.

[Norellicus]

god damn having to switch to a goblin for enhancement do not want.

Waiting out on new races for shaman, space cows do not want.

What the hell are you two talking about?

[Dareus]

Waiting out on new races for shaman, space cows do not want.

Dwarf. The Wildhammer clan refused to help the alliance because they wanted defeat the entire horde. Now that the alliance and horde are officially at war again, I assume the wildhammer have no reason not to join the alliance.

[Falisa]

Draenei are awesome wtf

[Koul]

priest, shammy, rogue and druid cata talents are up on mmo-champ

as a healing priest and druid I find some of the talents to be strange.... disc has one that heals low-life members if you cast smite and then just other offensive talents.

not too impressed so far but I'm sure things will change/be adjusted

edit: err well I guess it's to make leveling as them easier?

[Eaglestrike]

priest, shammy, rogue and druid cata talents are up on mmo-champ

as a healing priest and druid I find some of the talents to be strange.... disc has one that heals low-life members if you cast smite and then just other offensive talents.

not too impressed so far but I'm sure things will change/be adjusted

edit: err well I guess it's to make leveling as them easier?

It makes leveling easier, gives them something to do once you outgear places and helps PvP. So pretty much all it doesn't do is help during raid progression which is no big deal really.

[Koul]

It makes leveling easier, gives them something to do once you outgear places and helps PvP. So pretty much all it doesn't do is help during raid progression which is no big deal really.

aahh yeah, didn't even think about that. makes sense. I was expecting something different, I don't know what but just not those type of talents.

[Correction]

Murderous Intent (3 points) - When you Backstab an enemy that is at or below 35% health, you instantly recover 10/20/30 Energy.

Oh look, they want rogues to use Backstab. Isn't that adorable.

[Meresgi]

Oh look, they want rogues to use Backstab. Isn't that adorable.

They will find this ability to be horribly OP come launch and have to nerf the hell out of it. Or some other rogue talent, always happens.

[Diabolos]

I'd be absolutely shocked if blizz is able to do make 10 and 25m the same difficulty.

[Tajin]

25m already aren't THAT difficult (normal modes) except because is the same area and more people.

[Siniroth]

I sort of like the direction Discipline Priest seems to be going