Random Cataclysm discussion

[Meresgi]

No, please tell me why you think they should change the form for one animal-man and not the other type of animal-man.

Tauren arn't....animal men? Like seriously? When have tauren ever been referred to has half cow, half man. Do they have a transformation spell like the one we've seen for Worgen to turn back into like...an orc or something? Also like has been said, tauren lion fits their locale, just like a cat fits the Nightelfs and their stealthy nature and location. Why are you so offended people don't want a cat form for worgen when Tauren have a LION form and Night elves have a CAT form currently.

They wouldn't require a rewrite of the abilities, wolfs can pounce upon their prey and ambush them.

[FailureMidgard]

This is the last time I am going to respond because this forum has just turned into WoW fan boy land.

It might be nice lore, and I haven't seen the storyline yet (although, if that is going to be the storyline, then there might be some retconning with human druids, but whatever) but it largely misses the point that it doesn't make logical sense to have the DPS form for a race of werewolves be a cat instead of a wolf.

Stop drinking the kool-aid...

Correction basically covered it, but you don't really have any basis for what you're saying. You've decided race should trump class, and Blizzard decided class trumps race. I agree that Blizzard kinda has some wtf shit with lore and such (the whole Draenei decision is still dumb, imo, but I've long since moved on from caring), but this one is really nowhere near the logical stretch you're making it out to be. Then you call someone a troll for pointing out the werecows (k, not quite, but I'm gonna call them that anyway) don't have a cow/bull form. Don't think cow makes sense as DPS? How about bull as a tank? Works in my mind.

The fact of the matter is, Blizzard decided (as Correction basically said) that class trumps race here, and the druids teach all of their kind how to shapeshift into the same forms. Shaman are the ones that know how to turn into a wolf, get over it.

And this has absolutely nothing to do with WoW fanboyism, I reactivated my account like 2-3 months ago and I'm already getting bored with the game, again.

[FailureMidgard]

Why are you so offended people don't want a cat form for worgen when Tauren have a LION form and Night elves have a CAT form currently.

Lol what?

I think you should reconsider your terms here. If you want to be specific, you can call Tauren=lion and NE=Panther or something. Calling NE a "cat" while calling tauren a lion is just completely bending the truth. The fact is, they are all part of the cat (Felidae) family, but none of them resemble a "cat" as in a house cat, which is what you are trying to imply with your statement. Wolves are not cats, thus they don't fit under cat form.

[ringthree]

Correction basically covered it, but you don't really have any basis for what you're saying. You've decided race should trump class, and Blizzard decided class trumps race. I agree that Blizzard kinda has some wtf shit with lore and such (the whole Draenei decision is still dumb, imo, but I've long since moved on from caring), but this one is really nowhere near the logical stretch you're making it out to be. Then you call someone a troll for pointing out the werecows (k, not quite, but I'm gonna call them that anyway) don't have a cow/bull form. Don't think cow makes sense as DPS? How about bull as a tank? Works in my mind.

The fact of the matter is, Blizzard decided (as Correction basically said) that class trumps race here, and the druids teach all of their kind how to shapeshift into the same forms. Shaman are the ones that know how to turn into a wolf, get over it.

And this has absolutely nothing to do with WoW fanboyism, I reactivated my account like 2-3 months ago and I'm already getting bored with the game, again.

Then why do Night Elves get a panther form and Tauren get lion? Class doesn't necessarily trump race. If it did then all the forms would look exactly the same (like they used to).

I really don't care about this at all anymore, but your logic fails and Blizzard missed an opportunity to do something that would be logical and cool.

[Correction]

If it did then all the forms would look exactly the same (like they used to).

Neither bear nor cat forms between the factions have ever been exactly the same as one another. Stop drinking the haterade and focus.

[Siniroth]

Because they're both animals that could be considered a cat?

[Meresgi]

Lol what?

I think you should reconsider your terms here. If you want to be specific, you can call Tauren=lion and NE=Panther or something. Calling NE a "cat" while calling tauren a lion is just completely bending the truth. The fact is, they are all part of the cat (Felidae) family, but none of them resemble a "cat" as in a house cat, which is what you are trying to imply with your statement. Wolves are not cats, thus they don't fit under cat form.

And the troll form looks NOTHING akin to any feline species. Why does it have to abide by the standard set in Classic WoW? You can spice things up, let troll druids transform into a large boar for their tank instead of a bear, and let worgen transform into a wolf for dps instead of a feline.

Point is they are reinventing all of Azeroth to suit this expansion, then can change up some stuff along the way. They arn't sticking to the lore 100% anymore so it doesn't matter. Even Metzen has said if shit looks "cool" he'll do it, even if it doesn't make sense. I mean, why are Worgen, a race of humans with a curse able to be druids? Or Trolls? etc etc. People cling to something like this form changing but then when others say "Well Tauren shouldnt be able to be paladins" they jump all over them saying they should, that it would be interesting to see, yadda yadda.


I'd also like to know which is going to be the troll dps form:

This
http://blackriver.users.fluxflashor....Cat%20Form.jpg

Or this
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3439/...ab980dae_o.png

Because the first looks stupid as all hell.

[Siniroth]

I've never understood why Taurens should not be able to be paladins, right from the get go I understand, but lore needs to progress at some point

[Meresgi]

I've never understood why Taurens should not be able to be paladins, right from the get go I understand, but lore needs to progress at some point

Well "lolore" wise Tauren "paladins" are shamans. But they've progressed the game to the point where they need to flesh out more classes to certain races. It's boring only seeing blood elf paladins on the horde, or only drainpipe shamans on alliance.

[Galaika]

I'd also like to know which is going to be the troll dps form:

This

Or this

The first because that one is taken from the game files where the second is a fan made picture made ages ago, and yes it does look stupid.

[Tonko]

Well "lolore" wise Tauren "paladins" are shamans. But they've progressed the game to the point where they need to flesh out more classes to certain races. It's boring only seeing blood elf paladins on the horde, or only drainpipe shamans on alliance.

Tauren Shaman revere the terrestial Earth Mother in all of her 4 aspects.

Tauren Druid revere the left eye of the Earth Mother, known as Mu'sha, or, as Elune by the Night Elves. Or, the moon.

Tauren priests/paladins will revere the Right eye, known as An'she. Or, the sun.

This is all already established lore, it's just never had any in game applications. They don't need to change anything, the Tauren are simply turning towards establishing the balance of respect for all aspects of the Earth Mother. Check out the quest An Injured Colleague.

[Siniroth]

Tonko for the save

[Meresgi]

Tauren Shaman revere the terrestial Earth Mother in all of her 4 aspects.

Tauren Druid revere the left eye of the Earth Mother, known as Mu'sha, or, as Elune by the Night Elves. Or, the moon.

Tauren priests/paladins will revere the Right eye, known as An'she. Or, the sun.

This is all already established lore, it's just never had any in game applications. They don't need to change anything, the Tauren are simply turning towards establishing the balance of respect for all aspects of the Earth Mother. Check out the quest An Injured Colleague.

Yes, that's why I don't really care that Tauren will become paladins. But when most people think of paladins in Warcraft they think of the Holy Light.

The followers of the Holy Light do not worship any gods. Instead, it is a philosophy, training its followers to seek perfection within themselves. It is very much an active practice of virtue rather than a passive worship. Those who follow it closely gain spiritual awareness and guidance, allowing them to lead others.

So anyone can take up the cause really so long as they adhere to it. There are even Forsaken chilling in Light's Hope. I'm speaking on the context of old school Warcraft where when you played horde campaigns you had shaman and when you played alliance campaigns you had paladins. People still generalize that at times

Traditionally, druids chose the path of a specific animal totem, becoming either druids of the claw or druids of the talon. Indeed, legends suggest that there were even more orders of druid than these two.

So there could very well be/have been druids of say "The Moon" or "The hunt" who took the form of wolves.

[Dareus]

I mean, why are Worgen, a race of humans with a curse able to be druids? Or Trolls? etc etc.

Why would trolls not be able to be druids? they revere the Loa spirits, which often allow them to turn into animals ( think just about every fucking troll boss in the game). This is just taking it a step further and giving them more then just an animal form.

[Meresgi]

Why would trolls not be able to be druids? they revere the Loa spirits, which often allow them to turn into animals ( think just about every fucking troll boss in the game). This is just taking it a step further and giving them more then just an animal form.

Because trolls worship totemic spirits of animals, not the mother earth. They also usually seek to draw the power out of those totemic spirits to aid their own power. I don't know, when I think of druids I think of a person with a natural affinity with nature and a love of earth, which totally brings to mind Tauren and Night Elves. Trolls not so much ;P

[Siniroth]

Some trolls diverted and began to worship the mother earth over the totemic spirits of animals, clearly

[Arcana]

Because trolls worship totemic spirits of animals, not the mother earth. They also usually seek to draw the power out of those totemic spirits to aid their own power. I don't know, when I think of druids I think of a person with a natural affinity with nature and a love of earth, which totally brings to mind Tauren and Night Elves. Trolls not so much ;P

Trolls wern't naturally shamans either, only Orcs & Taurens were and with the trolls being saved by the orcs they naturally wished to learn the Orcish culture of shamanism, with that being the case for them becoming shamans, why couldn't some members of the Zalandar opt to take on the aspects of being druids?.

[Kaylia]

I never understood why people had lore issues with news classes. Is it really impossible that a few individuals decided to follow the beliefs of another races? You can just pretend they were hanging with human or w/e for a few years and picked a new path.

[Meresgi]

Trolls wern't naturally shamans either, only Orcs & Taurens were and with the trolls being saved by the orcs they naturally wished to learn the Orcish culture of shamanism, with that being the case for them becoming shamans, why couldn't some members of the Zalandar opt to take on the aspects of being druids?.

They could, i'm not saying I don't believe certain races cant adopt another races class system. I'm just making a point that if trolls can learn and become druids, and tauren can learn to become paladins, then some druid sects can learn to transform into a wolf instead of a feline apparition. That was my original point.

[Arcana]

They could, i'm not saying I don't believe certain races cant adopt another races class system. I'm just making a point that if trolls can learn and become druids, and tauren can learn to become paladins, then some druid sects can learn to transform into a wolf instead of a feline apparition. That was my original point.

But that sort of goes against the main fact of cats being far more stealthy than dogs, you have to take into account the skills involved being used here.

Wolves are also associated "lorewise" towards being spirit guides and allies for shamans and therefor redundant for being involved with druids.