Random Cataclysm discussion

[Kaylia]

Ugh, I hate the new talents tree for prot paladin. Can't get pursuit of justice anymore (unless you sacrifice something that look much better). Ardent defender also got nerfed so badly it makes me sad (I loved that skill, especially doing old content solo). It feel like I was nerfed really badly >_>.

[Komm Suesser Tod]

Ugh, I hate the new talents tree for prot paladin. Can't get pursuit of justice anymore (unless you sacrifice something that look much better). Ardent defender also got nerfed so badly it makes me sad (I loved that skill, especially doing old content solo). It feel like I was nerfed really badly >_>.

I fucking hate the new talent trees. Now you don't even have to think about your talent points, just drop all your points in one tree and walk away.

Also, this change is just unnecessary.

[Hunting]

The Warlock Affliction tree is pretty hilarious.

Start plugging points in and you'll see to even get to the 31 point talent, you have to put points in every other talent. Not much "choice" there. At least that's how it is on talent calcs. Not in the Beta just yet so I can't confirm if it's the same there.

[Meko]

I don't mind the trees that much. It's more streamlined but even with 100 talent choices, there will always be a "best" spec for the best/most DPS/heals etc etc. What I do like is lower level abilities that pertain to the spec you choose.

[Norellicus]

The Warlock Affliction tree is pretty hilarious.

Start plugging points in and you'll see to even get to the 31 point talent, you have to put points in every other talent. Not much "choice" there. At least that's how it is on talent calcs. Not in the Beta just yet so I can't confirm if it's the same there.

Destruction is the same way.

[Norellicus]

I just noticed the prot pally tree; no more perma-plea, wut?

[Eaglestrike]

I just noticed the prot pally tree; no more perma-plea, wut?

60s reduction in plea recast, so it's perma-plea...you just lose a gcd everytime you need it!

[MrSamuels]

Blue Post:
"While this is a first pass on all of the talent trees, death knight, druid, paladin, warlock, Arcane mage, and Assassination rogue trees are not as far along as other specializations."

Just sticking this here before people complain about Blizzard not having a clue etc etc

[Jas0n]

I personally love the new trees, I never expected them to remove cookie cutter builds, as that would be almost impossible without changing the whole system which seems pointless at this point in the game. Im just glad leveling alts will be less painless now.

Also wanna say hi, just signed up on this forum after finding it through google, the community seems nice :D Hopefully I'm lucky enough to get a beta invite so I can join whoever has one in-game.

[Tonko]

Ugh, I hate the new talents tree for prot paladin. Can't get pursuit of justice anymore (unless you sacrifice something that look much better). Ardent defender also got nerfed so badly it makes me sad (I loved that skill, especially doing old content solo). It feel like I was nerfed really badly >_>.

Remember, there was an across the board health increase. The actual amount returned with Ardent Defender will be equivalent to what it used to be.
http://www.wowtal.com/#k=-ptHBHh1P.9mn.paladin is what I plan to use for my Prot pally. Still has pursuit.

And I'm sure these trees will change before launch.

[Tonko]

lol, your definition of OP and mine are far different.

[Gulkeeva]

The tree's don't seem to bad for hunter.. i think

although at some points, although my last 1 point was like... uhh where do i put this!?

[Jas0n]

The tree's don't seem to bad for hunter.. i think

although at some points, although my last 1 point was like... uhh where do i put this!?

I noticed that too, I've seen a few cases where I've had points that I've had nowhere useful to put them to move onto the next tier and such. Still, this is still very early in the beta so I'm assuming these issues will be fixed.

[Itsnoriss]

As holy either going to use:
http://www.wowtal.com/#k=1_leFAi.9mn.paladin
or
http://www.wowtal.com/#k=118YdLMrz.9mn.paladin
Need that sacred shield boost!

Wonder how much judgement is going to hit for.

[Kaylia]

I fucking hate the new talent trees. Now you don't even have to think about your talent points, just drop all your points in one tree and walk away.

Also, this change is just unnecessary.

I've to disagree here because it was usually dead obvious what to pick, even with multiple trees. Not much changed here. I just wish I wasnt hit by a nerf lol.

Remember, there was an across the board health increase. The actual amount returned with Ardent Defender will be equivalent to what it used to be.
http://www.wowtal.com/#k=-ptHBHh1P.9mn.paladin is what I plan to use for my Prot pally. Still has pursuit.

And I'm sure these trees will change before launch.

Actually, do you have any ideas how long ardent defender is going to last? My issue wasnt so much the hp healed but the manual trigger. Before, it was a permanent dmg reduction under 35%, and the 2 minutes would only trigger right after you dies. Now, you might waste your cooldown getting healed or dying too slowly (solo). I'm not surprised it was nerfed since it was completely overpower before, but yeah, I like overpowered ability when I'm the one with them.

The tree is pretty close to what I was getting, but you're losing an ability to group monsters/trash. However, I'm not sure I could still live without avenger shield's silence. I will probably end up enchanting my feet and keep the silence if it's still possible since I can't get that ability anywhere else. The +15% dmg is one hell of a dmg upgrade too. It will be hard to pass if threat ever become an issue.

[Norellicus]

I'd bet on it. They've already said they want tanks to have to work for threat and not just afk their way through it.

[LD]

I also want Filthy Tricks back, unless they're gunna make Shadowstep free from go.

[Melena]

Ok, maybe i missed something here, but after changing the calculator to cap off at 85, it seems I can get retardedly deep in all 3 tree's. Are they lowering the amount of points we have to spend?

(I probably missed something about this being on vacation for a few days and didn't bother to check mmo)

[Eaglestrike]

Ok, maybe i missed something here, but after changing the calculator to cap off at 85, it seems I can get retardedly deep in all 3 tree's. Are they lowering the amount of points we have to spend?

(I probably missed something about this being on vacation for a few days and didn't bother to check mmo)

You get 42 points at 85, I believe it is.

[Norellicus]

Did you actually try it? Cause it won't let me put points in past "50" Which will actually be 85. We will get 41 points from 10-85 total.