Random Cataclysm discussion

**Plow** · 2011-01-11 21:22

Holy shit @ all the DK changes. Amazing.

Sucks I'm gonna have to learn to pvp as uh now tho lol.

Also, UH is pretty overloaded, I can't come up with anything below 34 uh which means no free mind freeze.

**Tajin** · 2011-01-11 22:42

You get trinket as JC, trinket, free flask and extended effect on potions AND mount as alchemist, More sockets as BS, googles, cogs, mount as engineer, LW gets no love as Enchanting in that aspect tho. and ench comes ahead with the lolpet.

So yes its overall crappier than other professions, thought my bad I was not speaking purely about the buff it gives you.

**Falaras** · 2011-01-12 01:07

Originally Posted by Tajin

You get trinket as JC, trinket, free flask and extended effect on potions AND mount as alchemist, More sockets as BS, googles, cogs, mount as engineer, LW gets no love as Enchanting in that aspect tho. and ench comes ahead with the lolpet.

So yes its overall crappier than other professions, thought my bad I was not speaking purely about the buff it gives you.

Alchemy mount is BoE, Alchemy trinket (at least the INT one) is pretty terrible compared to most trinkets of that level. You gain nothing on potions from Mixology, it's only flasks and considering you don't flask for non-raids...

I have Enchanting, Engineering, Alchemy, and Jewelcrafting. The one I would most likely drop is Alchemy and the one I would least likely drop is Enchanting because of the huge amount of money you make for nothing for it and having the same benefit as other professions of +80 INT.

**Saxon** · 2011-01-12 01:12

Originally Posted by Falaras

Alchemy mount is BoE, Alchemy trinket (at least the INT one) is pretty terrible compared to most trinkets of that level. You gain nothing on potions from Mixology, it's only flasks and considering you don't flask for non-raids...

I have Enchanting, Engineering, Alchemy, and Jewelcrafting. The one I would most likely drop is Alchemy and the one I would least likely drop is Enchanting because of the huge amount of money you make for nothing for it and having the same benefit as other professions of +80 INT.

I use http://www.wowhead.com/spell=80724 outside of raids.

**The Stig** · 2011-01-12 04:40

Awww, check out all those heroic nerfs! haha

**Meph** · 2011-01-12 04:53

* Baron Ashbury
o Sadly, in his hubris he has forgotten how to Mend Rotten Flesh.

Seriously, thats the only thing that made the fight worthwhile

**Guitarman** · 2011-01-12 07:34

No way the glyph of dark succor is going live, but oh man, i hope it does. 20% hp healed minimum each death strike? Yes please! Maybe i can handle two mobs at once doing dailies without worrying i'm gonna bite it...

**Siniroth** · 2011-01-12 07:35

Originally Posted by Tajin

I was not speaking purely about the buff it gives you.

Ah, my apologies then

**Siniroth** · 2011-01-12 07:38

Originally Posted by Guitarman

No way the glyph of dark succor is going live, but oh man, i hope it does. 20% hp healed minimum each death strike? Yes please! Maybe i can handle two mobs at once doing dailies without worrying i'm gonna bite it...

This, plus...

If Death Strike is used while a Blood Shield is already active, the new absorb will stack with the old one instead of replacing it.

equals

Also now that we know that Blood Shield can stack it gets even more ridiculous. Imagine a boss like Cho'gall where you aren't always tanking him. You could switch to Unholy Presence (faster rune CDs than Frost Presence) and build up a huge Blood Shield stack, say 6 Death Strikes before you have to taunt. You are now looking at a Blood Shield of around 100% of your max health (for the sake of simplicty I am assuming a 15% effective DS due to the presence switch). This is broken.

Obviously if they oversee that they'll just make either Blood Shields only apply in Blood Presence, or make it fade when you change presences, or make it be on a slider like Vengeance, but still, I can dream

**The Stig** · 2011-01-12 08:13

Ohhh I love that stacking feature. Will probably be nerfed really quick or has some sort of cap on it by the time it gets let out, say, stacks up to 50% of your max HP (seems reasonable), I can already hear many people whining.

However, though the healing was reduced, the stacking feature seems to make up for it, and for that I'm feeling more pleased about it than usual.

But yes, I too shall dream.

**Rivero** · 2011-01-12 08:29

Originally Posted by Tajin

You get trinket as JC, trinket, free flask and extended effect on potions AND mount as alchemist, More sockets as BS, googles, cogs, mount as engineer, LW gets no love as Enchanting in that aspect tho. and ench comes ahead with the lolpet.

So yes its overall crappier than other professions, thought my bad I was not speaking purely about the buff it gives you.

Alchemy is kind of lackluster. The mount SHOULD only be for Alchemists and much cheaper but fucking Blizzard loves to cater to people whining all the time. The "free flask" isn't that amazing also (80 AGI compared to 300) It is quite nifty for arenas/bgs though. The JC trinket is only 346 and it will get replaced very quickly. LW makes quite a bit of money on my server also since there are so few and they use a lot of Chaos Orbs.

**fantasticdan** · 2011-01-12 09:13

Originally Posted by Rivero

The mount SHOULD only be for Alchemists and much cheaper but fucking Blizzard loves to cater to people whining all the time.

I would wager they changed it because of the massive amount of people that were rerolling alchemy.

**Plow** · 2011-01-12 10:11

Originally Posted by The Stig

Ohhh I love that stacking feature. Will probably be nerfed really quick or has some sort of cap on it by the time it gets let out, say, stacks up to 50% of your max HP (seems reasonable), I can already hear many people whining.

However, though the healing was reduced, the stacking feature seems to make up for it, and for that I'm feeling more pleased about it than usual.

But yes, I too shall dream.

Ironically enough, the stacking actually does nothing for actual tanking aside from what he mentioned about doing it when you're offtanking.

When you're actually tanking, a proper "rotation" is essentially always going to result in the shield being used up.

**Tomino** · 2011-01-12 10:46

The first thought I had reading of the stacking blood shield was "soloing old HCs" actually.
In a scenario where a low level elite can't fully consume your shield, the continuous stacking would act as the perfect defense against occasional abilities or imba spells.

**aurik** · 2011-01-12 11:07

Originally Posted by Falaras

Alchemy mount is BoE, Alchemy trinket (at least the INT one) is pretty terrible compared to most trinkets of that level. You gain nothing on potions from Mixology, it's only flasks and considering you don't flask for non-raids...

I have Enchanting, Engineering, Alchemy, and Jewelcrafting. The one I would most likely drop is Alchemy and the one I would least likely drop is Enchanting because of the huge amount of money you make for nothing for it and having the same benefit as other professions of +80 INT.

For Alchemy, Flask of Enhancement provides the +80 perk that all other profs aim at providing. The flask/elixir duration buff saves the alchemist 100-150g per hour spent raiding, assuming he raids in 2 hour blocks. The new trinkets they are bringing out will pretty much be used by all alchemists until i372 trinkets are easily acquired.
Alchemists also can effectively use ultra-cheap mysterious potions which act as both a mana and a health potion.

Enchanting, meanwhile, allows you to disenchant your own BoP gear when you replace it, as well as any BoP quest rewards you get while leveling. These days all the enchants themselves are sold on vellum at very low markup, and BoEs can be sent to a friend or sold for the purpose of disenchanting.

**Eaglestrike** · 2011-01-12 11:45

It is entirely possible the blood shield will work with a similar mechanic to vengeance. And the shield will lose some of its power over time (when the earlier stack would've lost its buff). This is how I expect it to work, actually.

**Plow** · 2011-01-12 12:04

Don't think you understand quite how death strike is used, or how harsh the 25>15 nerf is.

**The Stig** · 2011-01-12 12:06

Originally Posted by Plow

Ironically enough, the stacking actually does nothing for actual tanking aside from what he mentioned about doing it when you're offtanking.

When you're actually tanking, a proper "rotation" is essentially always going to result in the shield being used up.

Ah, fair enough. However with my avoidance and Dancing Rune Weapon up I might be able to build 2 stacks before it gets taken off by the boss! Just a thought, however pitiful it may seem.

**Siniroth** · 2011-01-12 15:45

The only change it would have to normal tanking scenarios is that exactly, you won't lose a 'good' blood shield if you get a lucky string of avoidances right after heavy damage scenarios where you got a big death strike heal

**Meresgi** · 2011-01-12 22:31

Originally Posted by Plow

Holy shit @ all the DK changes. Amazing.
Sucks I'm gonna have to learn to pvp as uh now tho lol.
Also, UH is pretty overloaded, I can't come up with anything below 34 uh which means no free mind freeze.

Don't get unholy blight, and you can nab Lichborne and free mind freeze.

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