Shiro-biological perspective on homogayness-go!

[Shiroikage]

I've heard of this in regards to its possible influence on gender identity not Sexual preference though.

well, it's usually thrown around with the whole older brothers deal

[Kuya]

It's hard to say that no biological characteristics play any role in human sexuality, my problem is that often times the research done on it reaches a lot with its interpretations. From my investigations i've found that there are a lot of correlations, but no real valid explanations for how homosexuality manifests in the real world. In other words, at times to me it feels like biologists are treating this esoteric form of sexuality without ever really looking if it fits with reality. So when trying to bring understanding about homosexuality, i find that biological research doesn't really help much.

But anyway, i am more interested in seeing your argument as you might use some research that i haven't seen before.

[Stumblingdrunk]

well, it's usually thrown around with the whole older brothers deal

i should have quoted less, never heard of birth order having anything to do with it.

[Shiroikage]

it would be wonderful if we could load a pregnant mother up with a whole whack of anti-male antigens and see what happens to the boy when it gets older

[Shiroikage]

i should have quoted less, never heard of birth order having anything to do with it.

ah
males with older brothers are more likely to be homosexual and it increases with more older brothes. sisters have no real effect

[Shiroikage]

the thought is that anti-androgen/anti-male HLA antigen antibodies are generated by the mother and their neutralizing effect affects development of the infant

[Blarg]

you are gay if you weren't breastfed because sucking on nipples is pretty manly

[Shiroikage]

oh man, i am in trouble then, blarg

[Shiroikage]

and then it rocks the child's world

[Tajin]

see, now this was a proper read.

[Shiroikage]

actually, scratch that, H-Y isn't on the HLA

[Kuya]

You better make a good read, shiro, so these plebeians can see what this shit is all about.

[Shiroikage]

You better make a good read, shiro, so these plebeians can see what this shit is all about.

i'm not sure i can handle all this pressure

[Shiroikage]

i could be wrong, and i'm probably not going to use this research anyway so this is just a matter of interest, that we also differ in the belief that animal models may provide some degree of understanding of factors determining sexual preference

[Kuya]

I do get the feeling that most gays don't really understand that the biological research on homosexuality is implicitly (well maybe not implicitly) pointing towards the fact that homosexuality occurs with the feminization of the brain, and since gays have historically resisted, to a lesser or greater extent, the argument that they are sexual inverts, i can't help but laugh a bit how they're letting the proverbial trojan horse back in.

[Kuya]

i could be wrong, and i'm probably not going to use this research anyway so this is just a matter of interest, that we also differ in the belief that animal models may provide some degree of understanding of factors determining sexual preference

I have no problem with extrapolations of animal research on humans since it may be aplicable to some extent. It's acceptable because i know you and I are aware of the limits of any interpretation of that sort of research on humans.

[Shiroikage]

I do get the feeling that most gays don't really understand that the biological research on homosexuality is implicitly (well maybe not implicitly) pointing towards the fact that homosexuality occurs with the feminization of the brain, and since gays have historically resisted, to a lesser or greater extent, the argument that they are sexual inverts, i can't help but laugh a bit how they're letting the proverbial trojan horse back in.

well, in some cases it certainly is suggesting that it's feminization of the brain and sometimes it is just suggesting that some allele of some gene of possibly unknown function magically makes you slightly more likely to be gay

[Shiroikage]

I have no problem with extrapolations of animal research on humans since it may be aplicable to some extent. It's acceptable because i know you and I are aware of the limits of any interpretation of that sort of research on humans.

ok, cool
like i said, the research that i saw is old so that is my biggest problem with it. the benefit for animal models is obviously that there are certain things you can do with animals that you cannot do with people. and obviously, the thing being examined needs to be homosexual behaviour, and i mean sex with the same gender and not drinking appletinis

[Shiroikage]

this shit bothers me kuya:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...582336,00.html

i remember reading that and cringing when i first saw that. i've been trying to find this one ever since you started the thread

[Shiroikage]

you will like probably find that article interesting, kuya, even if it has some major problems in it