Call of Duty: Black Ops

[OWS_Tonx]

definitely did look cartoony. As far as it being the same as mw2, kinda sorta. Still looks fun though. New perks and killstreaks.

[kuronosan]

Are you joking? This looks even more arcadey than MW2 did.

[Eggroll]

Looks pretty solid to me, although the sound effects were a bit of a turn off. Glad to hear about killstreaks not contributing towards other killstreaks too, hopefully it'll cut down camping by a decent margin.

[Thunder]

Does anyone else think you need to switch to the ballistic knife like you would have to a secondary? Instead of throwing knife in MW2 where you can do it on a whim.

I think it's going to deter a lot of people sense it's sort of like quick scoping except you have one shot.

[AoE]

I'm about to make a troll post on my Facebook "reminding" all the females who's boyfriends play MW2 about when Black Ops releases to see how many angry posts I get.

[Chun Liroy]

It looks good, hopefully the graphics get ramped up before it's released... the guns look so blocky and unrealistic to me, compared to MW2.

[Tekki]

Looks good, potentially better the MW2. Treyarch is a studio that works their asses off and understands that the standards have been raised monumentally by their big brother. They go balls to the wall and do a great job. I'm really getting sick and fucking tired of hearing lolTreyarch when W@W was a fantastic game and they know how to make a great game.

Why am I excited for this? B/c i love MW2 not for the era, but because of the atmosphere, the leveling, the perks and killstreaks. (AK is all I need in any of these) The engine ties all this together nicely and simply needs some polishing.

So what can possibly happen with BO? Think about everything they know and can fix. They can fix this goddamn match making. They can finally add playback. They can make this more accessible to scrubs who don't want to play b/c people like me rape the broken hit boxes with retarded strong perks and hilarious kill streak stacking. I can go on and on but the bottom line. Treyarch has listened to a year of bitching about the flaws of MW2 and can do something about it.

MW, W@W, MW2 they all have their clusterfuck of things that need polished. You can pick apart all three and I bet you can do the same with BO. But the bottom line is I still will feed off the overall intensity the post World War games and the addictive progression mode that obligates me to stick around for one more match...

[kuronosan]

You forget that Activision is publishing this, and as such, will not give a shit what Treyarch wants to do. Case in point: the GUI is exactly the same as MW2.

[fren.]

It looks like they give you the option to perform a dolphin dive. Shit's gonna be terrible.

Looks good, potentially better the MW2. Treyarch is a studio that works their asses off and understands that the standards have been raised monumentally by their big brother. They go balls to the wall and do a great job. I'm really getting sick and fucking tired of hearing lolTreyarch when W@W was a fantastic game and they know how to make a great game.

Virtually everyone I know who played it, went back to MW2 shortly after it was released. I don't think I've seen anyone on that game through my PSN playlist in the last ~5 months.

[fren.]

double

[Zanz L. Barre The 3rd]

I'll have to agree that every CoD has had a few bullshit MP aspects.

It was Martyrdom, Frag x3, and shit respawns in CoD4, and OMA noob tubes, Commando, and increased gun accuracy in MW2. I'm sure Black Ops will have its fair share, but there's always a way to have fun regardless.

[Zeb]

What was WaW's big downfall for mp? After the 'nade induced rage I had from trying to beat it on veteran I returned it to gamefly before trying the mp.

[Zanz L. Barre The 3rd]

Wasn't there some retarded gun called the MP40? I never played W@W but suposedly it was ridiculous

[Thunder]

Tanks. Made respawn games really stupid imo.

And no real diversity in the guns.. MP4 was just the best on xbox because it was like an ump with a more controllable recoil. Assault rifles all sort of sucked unless you had a very nice trigger finger.. which is just plain annoying without a modded controller.

I liked the changes in movement speed depending on the gun, though. Pretty sure that 30(?) clip MG had smg run speed.

I really hope they add some heavy diversity between all of the guns that ranges from mag sizes/damage/RPM/recoil/speed/hipfire acc/ADS time(this would be straight awesome I think; to clarify, I mean like some really OP assault rifle having an ADS of .4 while some less-good AR having an ADS of .2)

[antihero]

MP40 was basically the UMP45 of W@W, still is, me and friends play it when we get pissed at MW2 ;3 nothing really wrong with it, it's geared more to run and gun than MW2 is, takes more bullets to put someone down, combined with juggernaut running and gunning becomes working strategy. day1/midnight buy for me on black ops though, MW2 while fun is so aggravating ;(

also from jd's twitter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYGlWjIKoY4
this is the coolest thing that i have ever seen

[Takedown3]

mp40 sucks a huge dick in waw and i play it daily, if i was to play with that horrible weap i certainly wouldn't stack it with juggy, if anything it would be stopping power and steady aim

i typically stick with stg40 bando/camo/steady and play hardcore so i don't have to worry about tank fags. once in a while ill bust out ppsh/bando/stopping power/steady aim or deep impact

i haven't played much mw2 online and very little cod4 but from what i have seen waw trumps both and i don't have much to complain about except when my map packs are claimed to be broken to the point that i have to reboot the xbox to get them to work

[OWS_Tonx]

lol that vid is funny. I'll get the midnight release for this too and take a fucking week off of work.

[Thunder]

mp40 sucks a huge dick in waw and i play it daily, if i was to play with that horrible weap i certainly wouldn't stack it with juggy, if anything it would be stopping power and steady aim

You're obviously "eyeballing" things because on xbox and ps3 MP40 has a damage of 50-29 while every other SMG is 40-20 and ppsh being 22-14.

The 50 means it 2 shot kills without SP, making it prime for juggernaut. SP only jumps its mid/long range from a 4 hit kill to a 3 hit kill and combats juggernaut, not a big deal.
So, obviously, it's leagues ahead of anything else just like the UMP is.
And also, do you know your stg is the only rifle that doesn't 1hko at long range w/o SP? You're playing with a disadvantage, my friend.

[chazzyphizzle]

yeah that's the first time i've ever seen anybody say the mp40 sucks lol, gun was OP as hell.

[Takedown3]

what you aren't really including in calc's and can't really is the user's aim. mp40 aint gonna do shit if the jug fag is sparying and usually if you a jug you a fag.

and my stg40 does 1hko in hardcore from long range when im scoped and i hit chest