Level 80 sub-jobs and you

[Ezhno]

Speaking of lv40 subjobs, do you think a SCH would be able to solo most of his exp from 1 to 40? I did some BLM solo + FoV months ago, but I'm not very sure of SCH capabilities at lower levels

I've been doing it entirely on BST pet camps. It works well enough if you gear like a BLM, but takes a few more nukes than BLM so can be a bit riskier.

[Khamsin]

Why would you ever use Freeze over Blizzard 4?

Timed distortion skillchains.

[Foldypaws]

Lies, someone hasn't ever tried /COR obviously. Your buffs are cut in half, and you lose the job bonus (which is why I lol @ SMN burns who have a SMN /COR instead of just letting a COR come to potentially add another 10k EXP just from COR roll)

Oooh, baseless accusations! Here are some numbers to prove me right. DRG/COR, I get a 8.5% bonus to attack from a 9 on chaos roll. (320->347)

DRK/COR, I get a 13.5% bonus to attack from a 9 on chaos roll. (52->59)

That's the job bonus /COR right there.

as for 37 COR working the same as 37 /COR.

invited a 37 dancer as 75DRG/37COR 155->193 attack (17%). changed to cor main and level synced so I was a 37COR/18SAM, ended up with the same attack. 155->193.

So yes, I am 100% correct and you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Narol]

Why would you ever use Freeze over Blizzard 4?

Stack a billion strats on it as SCH/BLM for epeen numbers, I guess. By the same sorts of people who never, ever use t4s on their BLM because AM2 does more damage per hit.

Edit: "Zomg Parsimony to make it not cost so much, then Alacrity to handle the charge time, and Ebullience for zomgholyshit damage, and look, I used Equanimity so I don't get hate unlike those stinky, smelly BLMs!"

[Rokku]

Oooh, baseless accusations! Here are some numbers to prove me right. DRG/COR, I get a 8.5% bonus to attack from a 9 on chaos roll. (320->347)

DRK/COR, I get a 13.5% bonus to attack from a 9 on chaos roll. (52->59)

That's the job bonus /COR right there.

as for 37 COR working the same as 37 /COR.

invited a 37 dancer as 75DRG/37COR 155->193 attack (17%). changed to cor main and level synced so I was a 37COR/18SAM, ended up with the same attack. 155->193.

So yes, I am 100% correct and you have no idea what you're talking about.

He's referring to the fact that /COR or the Corsair being outside of the party is completely worthless for Corsair's roll (Look it up, it's entirely true, or just test it yourself). The EXP bonus on the roll is so low without someone on the job as a main inside of the party, it's completely worthless.

Thus the comment about

(which is why I lol @ SMN burns who have a SMN /COR instead of just letting a COR come to potentially add another 10k EXP just from COR roll)

very clearly pointing to the application in question being Corsair's roll. Try to read a little harder before you come at someone else's post like that in the future.

p.s. You're right about the math in regards to /COR otherwise.

[Foldypaws]

He's referring to the fact that /COR or the Corsair being outside of the party is completely worthless for Corsair's roll (Look it up, it's entirely true, or just test it yourself). The EXP bonus on the roll is so low without someone on the job as a main inside of the party, it's completely worthless.

Thus the comment about



very clearly pointing to the application in question being Corsair's roll. Try to read a little harder before you come at someone else's post like that in the future.

p.s. You're right about the math in regards to /COR otherwise.

Given that his comment was in response to my comment that was originally about SMN roll (which does /not/ suffer the level difference penalty that other rolls do) I replied assuming he was talking about the original topic: Evoker's roll. If he wasn't, then he should learn to stop dragging it off topic, and if he was, then he was, as I pointed out, horribly wrong, as you /do/ get the job bonus, and the rolls are not "cut in half".


And I shall come across people's points very harshly indeed when they accuse me of lies.

[Rokku]

Given that his comment was in response to my comment that was originally about SMN roll (which does /not/ suffer the level difference penalty that other rolls do) I replied assuming he was talking about the original topic: Evoker's roll. If he wasn't, then he should learn to stop dragging it off topic, and if he was, then he was, as I pointed out, horribly wrong, as you /do/ get the job bonus, and the rolls are not "cut in half".


And I shall come across people's points very harshly indeed when they accuse me of lies.

Fair enough. If it was in regards to Evoker's roll and worded poorly, then I retract my defense of the statement, because it is indeed false to say that Evoker's roll suffers any penalty from /COR as opposed to it as a main job.

Why that is I've never quite understood, but it seems to evade the corsair level/target level * Normal Potency formula that other rolls (namely Chaos and Wizard's, I'm well aware we never managed to prove conclusive values for all the rolls in the first place) follow and always has.

[Asmoranomar]

So is only Corsair's Roll severely gimped as /COR or are there other rolls as well?

[Crab_Cake]

(which is why I lol @ SMN burns who have a SMN /COR instead of just letting a COR come to potentially add another 10k EXP just from COR roll)

What if there are no CORs available(Also what if you wanted that extra party spot for a friend, ls member, or someone paying to leech, instead?).

Also it's not like SMNs have anything better to sub than COR in astral flow parties(maybe /blm for escape but only one person needs /blm and only one person needs /cor).

/cor is reduced significantly but you'll still get an average of 3 to 9 extra exp points per mob(1%-3% of 300 exp per mob) which does add up.

Point is - there's nothing wrong with going /COR.

Also to the above post, the reason why corsair's roll is reduced significantly is because of:

1. Corsair's roll(on main corsair) will always receive the "job bonus". Odds are you won't have a /COR doing Corsair's Roll when there is already a main Corsair in the party(in SMN astral flow parties, where /COR is widely used).

So unless the /COR also has a COR to take advantage of the main job bonus, that's why it "appears" to be more nerfed than usual as /COR.

2. Level of /COR compared to level of players receiving the roll. For example, Example 1- A SAM50/COR25 will only work 50% effective as the original.

Example 2- A SAM50/COR5's corsair rolls will affect level 50 players with only 10% of the original potency.

[Asmoranomar]

/sigh

[Foldypaws]

Also subbed COR ignores job bonuses.

ARGH. No it doesn't! I posted proof of this earlier upthread. It's easy to test. A DRK/COR gets a stronger chaos roll than any anything else /COR.

[JigglyJam]

Is there a ceiling function applied to the tenths digit in that equation?

37/75 is .4933 and it returns lower than the values you listed when multiplying with the respective bonus. Since 37/74 is .5 though it doesn't make sense for it to be a lower buff at a higher level.

I'm just confirming is all.

EDIT: Do you think SE will apply a penalty to Evoker's Roll when subbed?

[Crab_Cake]

ARGH. No it doesn't! I posted proof of this earlier upthread. It's easy to test. A DRK/COR gets a stronger chaos roll than any anything else /COR.

My mistake, I apologize(I'll edit it out of the above post).

So is only Corsair's Roll severely gimped as /COR or are there other rolls as well?

/sigh

However - Despite my mistake about /Cor ignores main job bonuses(due to trusting wiki without testing), my point earlier about /cor being significantly reduced was correct.

The reason why /COR seems so gimped than other rolls(subbed) is because you probably don't have a COR in the party to take advantage of the main job roll bonus.

As COR main, they will always get the Corsair's Roll job bonus.

As subbed, you would need a COR to take advantage of Corsair's Roll job bonus.

So AFAIK, I don't know if any /COR rolls at all are severely gimped in any other way that does not follow the standard formula. Subbed Corsair's Roll seems to follow the usual formula and rules.

[ringthree]

Someone earlier in this thread said that SE said Innin and Yonin will not be provided as a sub. Can someone direct me to where SE said this? Thanks.

[Asmoranomar]

I believe it was under the gallery/video section on the ffxi vana'fest coverge.

[TummieGaruda]

Someone earlier in this thread said that SE said Innin and Yonin will not be provided as a sub. Can someone direct me to where SE said this? Thanks.

here:

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...vanafest-1.jpg

First Video 28:13 in.. if you can't read the text (really bad decision to use white for subtitles)

In regards to the white mage and ninja stances, we will leave them as trademark abilities. Abilities like Shadowbind and Convert, on the other hand, we plan on making available as support job abilities as we don't think that would rob the main jobs of their uniqueness

[Priran]

http://www.playonline.com/ff11/event...10_TALK01E.asx

28 minutes in

[Corrderio]

Speaking of lv40 subjobs, do you think a SCH would be able to solo most of his exp from 1 to 40? I did some BLM solo + FoV months ago, but I'm not very sure of SCH capabilities at lower levels

SCH can solo like a pro easy. I found it safer than BLM since Alacrity and Sleep can be a life saver.

[ringthree]

here:

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...vanafest-1.jpg

First Video 28:13 in.. if you can't read the text (really bad decision to use white for subtitles)

Thanks for the info, and let me be the first to say that this is stupid. Those "unique" JA's don't do much more for those jobs and wouldn't unbalance anything ore than what you would get from other "not so unique" JA's.

[Narol]

Convert totally won't unbalance literally every other mage job in the game, absolutely not, no siree.

Spoiler: show

Although it'll be fun seeing taru SMN try to make a Convert build.