Level 80 sub-jobs and you

[Khamsin]

Ya for those months between the 80-99 cap raise, /whm will give access to Haste, but once 99 cap is here, there will be no reason not to /rdm on sch at all. (Other than all the teleports).

Also, Sch gets stona under add-white anyways.

With Accession, SCH/RDM can be the new haste/refresh bitches.

But then, RDM/SCH will be able to do it sooner with Accession from sub. At least, next time I get stuck in the BLM PT, I won't want to kill myself anymore.

[Tomino]

But then, RDM/SCH will be able to do it sooner with Accession from sub. At least, next time I get stuck in the BLM PT, I won't want to kill myself anymore.

This, a thousands times. RDM will really become less repetitive and mind dumbing with ascension and some lovely Refresh-ga or Haste-ga.

BRD/COR doing Ballad+Evoker's looks nice , and I'm wondering if there could be any actual use for a DD subbing BLU for self skillchains + stats boost

[ronin sparthos]

With Accession, SCH/RDM can be the new haste/refresh bitches.

But then, RDM/SCH will be able to do it sooner with Accession from sub. At least, next time I get stuck in the BLM PT, I won't want to kill myself anymore.

Haste bitch is so much more palatable when you can pop 2 charges and peg everyone including yourself effortlessly.

[Bikpik]

With Accession, SCH/RDM can be the new haste/refresh bitches.

But then, RDM/SCH will be able to do it sooner with Accession from sub. At least, next time I get stuck in the BLM PT, I won't want to kill myself anymore.

Rdm/Sch will only get 2 charges even at 99/49 and when aoeing spells the recast time is doubled. So with 2 charges Rdm/Sch will have to pick and choose what they Aoe(Haste, Refresh, stoneskin, gravga), whereas Sch/Rdm SHOULD get 5 charges at 99/49 so they will have more freedom on what they can AoE.

[KoD]

There a lot of unknown things that may happen I honestly hope things like
War & THF getting T2 Double Attack, Trick attack,

Hopefully Not doing things like:
Making haste/Refresh non-ga, though I also hope they’ll add Haste/Refresh II and increase there duration, to give rdms more time focus on Enf’ing

Giving a higher Double attack may even take the use of weapons like ridills out of the equation due to limiting there ability to x3 attack by increasing the frequency of x2 attacks.

Giving Tier 2Haste could give Cor New chance of taking brds place in pts: fighter's/Chaos rolls & March/Min,

Though there really is endless things SE can do to jobs to change the way you play them at higher levels as well the selection of sub jobs,

[seiji]

Giving Tier 2Haste could give Cor New chance of taking brds place in pts: fighter's/Chaos rolls & March/Min,

won't change anything to COR, and unless haste2 >30% (haste+Vmarch near cap magic haste) wont change brd songs (double march+ chaos/whatever is better according to what your doing

[Draylo]

/whm for scholar, /sch for other mages will be beastly.

[Byrthnoth]

I wasn't saying nin and mnk would lose ground to Sam, but that they would become much better while sam potentially gains a 5hit and not a lot else. It is probably safe to merge this with the speculation thread now

[Mizango]

Can we talk about Corsair now?

[Khamsin]

Rdm/Sch will only get 2 charges even at 99/49 and when aoeing spells the recast time is doubled. So with 2 charges Rdm/Sch will have to pick and choose what they Aoe(Haste, Refresh, stoneskin, gravga), whereas Sch/Rdm SHOULD get 5 charges at 99/49 so they will have more freedom on what they can AoE.

It still allows RDM a good amount of flexibility. In some roles, a RDM will be using the 2 charges for aoe enfeebles, sleeps, etc., and sometimes for aoe stoneskin and curaga III-IVs, sometimes just for penury to conserve MP, sometimes for aoe haste/refresh. And in any given role, 2 charges is enough. Refresh lasts 2.5 min, and you'll have your charge back by then. So you can refreshga and hastega every time, if that's all you use your charges for. And in some situations, that's all you'll need them for, anyway. If, instead, you're tank party RDM on an HNM fight, you might be using those charges for something else. If you're melee party RDM in einherjar, you might make good use of aoe stoneskin and haste, and forget refresh.

So for whatever role you're filling at the moment, whether it be merit, tank PT RDM, melee PT RDM, mage PT RDM, low man RDM, solo RDM, etc. 2 charges will be enough. And if you switch parties, or roles, just use those same two charges for something else, instead.

SCH might get more charges, but given the versatility RDM already has, this will just make it even better.

Giving a higher Double attack may even take the use of weapons like ridills out of the equation due to limiting there ability to x3 attack by increasing the frequency of x2 attacks.

I'd rather they do something to make my ridill more useful and allows me to have an edge for having one. Last thing anyone would want is to diminish it's value. If anything, it needs to be coveted again.

[Mizango]

I'd rather they do something to make my ridill more useful and allows me to have an edge for having one. Last thing anyone would want is to diminish it's value.

I'm actually really curious to see what they have in mind regarding this.

[Balthasar]

afaik:No!
they said they'll take to 99 in several update
they said they'll be 3 more update in 2010 and they wiil raise cap in each
afaik:they didnt sai we'll get lvl99 this year!

june=>80
sep=>85
dec=>90
apr2011=>95
june2011=>99
is possible

http://www.playonline.com/ff11/event...5d_1845en2.jpg
i would think that by using the "Part" terminology, rather than "Stage" or a simple numbered list, that the last one listed is implied as the last one i.e. Part III in DEC

[Ddboner]

Ya my ridill definitely collects dust hardcore. If they add BLU to its job list i will be happy...

A- with acc bonus from traits/homam + Ridill seems like it could improve BLU's melee DD status a ton

I'm picturing BLU/DRG or BLU/NIN or even BLU/WAR with bergressor... (edit forgot to mention BLU/RDM) + Ridill

Anyhow, sorry for bringing up blu.

[Deluge]

SMNs: Come on SE add something to smn so we don't always have to play like we're only our SJ

level cap increase announced

SMNs: YES HASTE REFRESH CONVERT OMFG AWESOME

[seiji]

i would think that by using the "Part" terminology, rather than "Stage" or a simple numbered list, that the last one listed is implied as the last one i.e. Part III in DEC

the "part" terminology is just what the translator wanted to put, andstill doesnt mean part 3 is the last part

[KoD]

also possiblity that there could be tier T3 March Song @ lv91(29>60>91),then add around 240extra Skill+-(Wind+Sing),
(7%>10%>14%not counting skills) (7>15>22with skills) - Taking base maths from Wiki(560-566, 122/1024 (11.91%)) then add'd extra skill, Please forgive me if my maths is wrong >.<;

Edit: Mt3 22% + Mt2 15% + gear 25%+ haste 15% = 77%
Mt3 22% + Mt2 15% + gear 25% + HasteII 20% = 82%,

*Pure speculation =P*

Edit2:
Cor fighter's roll:
24% + 10% + 5%merit = 39%, Add extra tier of 5%-10% possible 44%-49% +5Brut = 49%-54% DA

[Karbuncle]

/Cor gets quick draw, hopefully increasing rngs solo ability.

If /COR does end up getting Quick draw... I'm going to enjoy that on THF/COR for the hell of it... Culverin+1 / heavy shell go!

[Bikpik]

It still allows RDM a good amount of flexibility. In some roles, a RDM will be using the 2 charges for aoe enfeebles, sleeps, etc., and sometimes for aoe stoneskin and curaga III-IVs, sometimes just for penury to conserve MP, sometimes for aoe haste/refresh. And in any given role, 2 charges is enough. Refresh lasts 2.5 min, and you'll have your charge back by then. So you can refreshga and hastega every time, if that's all you use your charges for. And in some situations, that's all you'll need them for, anyway. If, instead, you're tank party RDM on an HNM fight, you might be using those charges for something else. If you're melee party RDM in einherjar, you might make good use of aoe stoneskin and haste, and forget refresh.

So for whatever role you're filling at the moment, whether it be merit, tank PT RDM, melee PT RDM, mage PT RDM, low man RDM, solo RDM, etc. 2 charges will be enough. And if you switch parties, or roles, just use those same two charges for something else, instead.

SCH might get more charges, but given the versatility RDM already has, this will just make it even better.



I'd rather they do something to make my ridill more useful and allows me to have an edge for having one. Last thing anyone would want is to diminish it's value. If anything, it needs to be coveted again.

That's some good points, but what I was trying to get at is, Rdm will have to be stuck in 1 role, to make full use of the 2 charges it will get by subbing Sch, which for most of the time is sufficent.

But Sch will be able to, for a blm pt, refreshga, weatherga, switch to dark, Klimaformga, gravga, then start throwing out nukes as well. As a Healer/buffer for a DD or tank pt, stoneskinga, hastega, weatherga, enspellga (if no whm in the pt as well) and phalanxga.

And IF sch gets a 5th charge, the wait time will only be 45 secs to recharge strats, while /Sch will be 2 mins. Plus Sch can mix and match buffs and enfeebles a bit more freely than Rdm/Sch will be able to.

Then again, this is all as of right now, we don't know how potent refresh or haste will be when subbed, or even if Schs will be able to aoe them yet.

[Miraun]

http://www.playonline.com/ff11/event...5d_1845en2.jpg
i would think that by using the "Part" terminology, rather than "Stage" or a simple numbered list, that the last one listed is implied as the last one i.e. Part III in DEC

They had stated under that picture that all release content and dates were tentative and subject to change without notice. I'm still skeptical of a June release w/ level increase.

Ascension + Composure = Since your casting it on 'yourself' you get more duration for everyone? Since it doesn't work on subject spells, but works on main job spells, would be interesting...

[Mizango]

If /COR does end up getting Quick draw... I'm going to enjoy that on THF/COR for the hell of it... Culverin+1 / heavy shell go!

COR makes everything better.