Level 80 sub-jobs and you

[Khamsin]

It's not so much Ridill specifically, it's the style of play and gear build. WAR/SAM has crept up to the forefront, when ridill WARs used to be the best setup. Now it's time for WAR/NIN to step up again. If they were to add a DMG:50 Delay:240 Occasionally attacks 2-3 times sword (or axe even, better than Magian), that'd do the trick, too.

They can put it on a new 21-24 king to replace fafhogg after he becomes the next simurgh or serket when the cap goes up.

[Nevex]

Now it's time for WAR/NIN to step up again.

Really? And why is that?
Before the /SAM update, WAR/NIN used to put every other melee job to shame; it's not the case for G.Axe WAR/SAM so things don't really need to be changed.

The only way to make Ridill WAR/NIN the best melee option again means to make that setup even stronger than SAM main, a currently unbalanced job. I don't see that happening.

[Damane]

They can put it on a new 21-24 king to replace fafhogg after he becomes the next simurgh or serket when the cap goes up.

just no, if by all means it shoudl be obtainable via Magian trials. Lets not repeat the mistakes of the past.

[Ddboner]

I agree with Khamsin, A Ridill war with a full set up to take advantage of that should at least compete with others. He never said Ridill should be better than everything he said it should be "good" again.

Simply saying to should be kept as a gimped item because it comes from fafnir is kind of an odd argument... especially on a board like this. One can use the "moving the game backwards" argument about nerfing a job/item/playstyle... I don't think nerfing or gimping things is a good fix, that's how they used to do it, and I don't want to go back to that. Like stated before just allow it to come from another source.

In my opinion, the root cause of the problem is not the sword itself but dual wield as whole needs to be adjusted a little to bring it into the range of a 2handed DD for jobs such as nin blu thf and ridill war etc.

Either way you want to look at it the more ways there are to play the game that aren't lol or whatever is going to benefit everyone, variety is better.

[Hyan]

Either way you want to look at it the more ways there are to play the game that aren't lol or whatever is going to benefit everyone, variety is better.

Good luck trying to achieve this when everything expect the optimal 'build' is considered lol.

[Sho]

Back to the topic at hand, SE stated that they would like to give BLU Dual Wield through a spell combination. If they do this, I believe /NIN will slowly get phased out, except for fights where Utsusemi is strictly needed... maybe BLU/DNC and BLU/RDM @ lvl 90?

I'd also like Nevex's and/or Jim's opinion on BLU/WAR + Tizona vs BLU/WAR (Dual Wield) + Tizona/Antea OAT. It is relevant to my imminent Tizona acquisition interests.

[Priran]

He never said Ridill should be better than everything

I'd rather they do something to make my ridill more useful and allows me to have an edge for having one... it needs to be coveted again.

I'd like it to be special again...Allowing it to come back into the limelight and keeping ridill WARs consistently above Perdu WARs in the parses won't hurt anything.

hurr

Simply saying to should be kept as a gimped item because it comes from fafnir is kind of an odd argument... especially on a board like this. One can use the "moving the game backwards" argument about nerfing a job/item/playstyle... I don't think nerfing or gimping things is a good fix, that's how they used to do it, and I don't want to go back to that. Like stated before just allow it to come from another source.

Where the hell are you getting "nerf" from? No one is saying nerf Ridill, and Ridill hasn't fallen out of use because of a nerf.

[Byrthnoth]

I don't know how much of a base damage increase anything is going to need to remain relevant at 99. If you look at base damage increase as a function of level, Daggers are the only ones that see a big % increase in base damage increase post-50. The rest are a <50% increase. H2H sees a big % increase in DoT, but not so much base damage because their H2H weapon damage stops increasing much after 50.

Scythe: D76 -> D97
Great Axe: D80 -> D96
Katana: D29 -> D38
GKT: D67 -> D83
Sword: D38 -> D44
Polearm: D70 -> D94


Anyway, my point is that it depends how SE views the "top of the line" weapons. It could be that there will be no real increase in many of the current R/Ex ideals because the AH alternatives are so much worse and that's what SE's using as a standard.

[Dooom]

Ridill war is still very good when used properly, and can beat GA. All I'm seeing is "I had this e-peen item and it's not so e-peen anymore, I want my shineys to be good again because it's mine". Going back to 2006 /nin dual-wield-onry mentalities is such a huge step-back that it's not funny.

[Sho]

The only use I see Ridill in is Nyzul Isle runs. And the occasional KV/Bahamut v2 when you need to loan your dagger/club to your friend/LSmate for a better zerg rush.

Despite this, I'm pretty sure one could still sell one for 10~20 mil if they wanted to. People really do gotta grow up from this Ridill-mentality, lol

[Dooom]

Rid/joy is an absolute TP beast, for things like city dyna, einherjar waves, limbus etc. It's got more uses than as a so-so zerking weapon for drks.

[Sho]

Ahhh, I see you half way, since those are all squishy mobs.

[Lucavi]

Either way you want to look at it the more ways there are to play the game that aren't lol or whatever is going to benefit everyone, variety is better.

Variety is better? Is that what the rngs and wars said when they were cleaning up in sky XP parties while leaving everyone else to fend for scraps on the ground?

You really think humans have changed enough to not exploit the flavor-of-the-month job?

If anything, ridill falling out of favor didn't come soon enough for many people. The prospect of having to bot to "be the best at your job" didn't appeal to many.

On-topic: I thought I read awhile ago that they were planning on making /rng a viable sub for things other than widescan?

[Therin]

I have a Ridill and it was the worst 1500 points I've ever spent.

[Takedown3]

ITT: throw some ridillz on that shit

[ronin sparthos]

Variety is better? Is that what the rngs and wars said when they were cleaning up in sky XP parties while leaving everyone else to fend for scraps on the ground?

You really think humans have changed enough to not exploit the flavor-of-the-month job?

If anything, ridill falling out of favor didn't come soon enough for many people. The prospect of having to bot to "be the best at your job" didn't appeal to many.

On-topic: I thought I read awhile ago that they were planning on making /rng a viable sub for things other than widescan?

The RNG and WAR could take sky all day, Ulguerand Range was awesome pre-ToAU.

For anyone with piercing DMG, Lufaise Meadows and MNKs had KRT.

[Patriarch]

why wasn't this thread just titled "Ridill"

[Darkmagi]

I'd still consider ridill top tier on war for almost anything you NEED to /nin on. It just so happens most of the time that most /nin situations are squishy mobs. Ridill is definitely not worthless.

[Ezhno]

Back to the topic at hand, SE stated that they would like to give BLU Dual Wield through a spell combination. If they do this, I believe /NIN will slowly get phased out, except for fights where Utsusemi is strictly needed... maybe BLU/DNC and BLU/RDM @ lvl 90?

I'd also like Nevex's and/or Jim's opinion on BLU/WAR + Tizona vs BLU/WAR (Dual Wield) + Tizona/Antea OAT. It is relevant to my imminent Tizona acquisition interests.

If they give native Dual Wield to BLU without even considering doing the same for THF or DNC, then I'm honestly gonna be more than a bit irritated.

I'd actually sooner like to see the ability to dual wield given to all 1 handed jobs, and just make sure it grants no additional delay reduction without the trait.

[Raen Ryong]

The last thing WAR needs is another boost.