Teacher goes to jail for fucking a student

[kuronosan]

There's nothing irresponsible about two teenagers having sex? There is if they're uninformed, unsafe, and it results in the girl getting pregnant.

The legality of sex isn't really the question here. It's the fact that someone who is older took advantage of the naivety of someone who is younger.

You shouldn't be high-fiving the kid. Alleya is actually right on this case. All you guys who are talking about high-fiving your son if he scored with his teacher are just fucking retarded. Yea, great. He scored with his teacher. He's a man now, right?

The second you start ignoring the repercussions of certain acts because of the stupidity of a law (take the law that requires us to tell dumb fucks that hot coffee is hot) is the second shit starts going wrong.

Kids are going to have sex when they hit the 16-18 mark, it's perfectly normal. TO HAVE SEX WITH EACH OTHER. What part about that is so difficult to understand?

[Ksandra]

You apparently don't pay attention to anything when you post, as you reply to topics and then claim you weren't talking about said topic when people poke holes in what you were saying.

The thing I quote you were bitching at me for 16 year olds dating 18 year olds and I DON'T have an issue with that.

Honestly you really don't pay attention to what OTHERS are saying.

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There's nothing irresponsible about two teenagers having sex? There is if they're uninformed, unsafe, and it results in the girl getting pregnant.

The legality of sex isn't really the question here. It's the fact that someone who is older took advantage of the naivety of someone who is younger.

You shouldn't be high-fiving the kid. Alleya is actually right on this case. All you guys who are talking about high-fiving your son if he scored with his teacher are just fucking retarded. Yea, great. He scored with his teacher. He's a man now, right?

The second you start ignoring the repercussions of certain acts because of the stupidity of a law (take the law that requires us to tell dumb fucks that hot coffee is hot) is the second shit starts going wrong.

Kids are going to have sex when they hit the 16-18 mark, it's perfectly normal. TO HAVE SEX WITH EACH OTHER. What part about that is so difficult to understand?

Sums up my thoughts pretty well too.

[Sylvrdragon]

Ah, now I know where we stand on the topic. I don't believe it's nearly as easy to "take advantage" of a man's sex drive as this, especially when the sex is the only objective. The cost of sex to a man is next to nothing physically, socially, and I daresay, mentally. It's hard (for a woman) to rape a man. Usually, you could just ask.

You see "Taking advantage of his naivete", I see "Just as planned" (or possibly "Better than I could have hoped for"). It's only seduction if the man has something to lose for it, or if he didn't want it.

[Melchiah]

tl;dr: Illegal means it's wrong. That's why it's a law.

Legality and Morality are not parallels by any means, don't fool yourself into thinking so. One does not necessarily define the other.

[Deadgye]

Your rhetorical style is devastating. Truly you have dismantled my argument with your evidence and logic.

Here's a tip, you're well on your way through puberty by the time you're 14. You're no longer pre-pubescent.

There is if they're uninformed, unsafe, and it results in the girl getting pregnant.

I don't know where you are, but around here you're well informed by the time you're 16. And not only is it easy to protect yourself, but when doing it with someone older you're even more likely to use protection as opposed to not using protection.

It's the fact that someone who is older took advantage of the naivety of someone who is younger.

And that's why the teacher is in deep shit, none of us have argued against that. You will, however, notice that everyone who themselves has been in a situation similar to the kid looks back on it as a fond memory.

Kids are going to have sex when they hit the 16-18 mark, it's perfectly normal. TO HAVE SEX WITH EACH OTHER. What part about that is so difficult to understand?

13-14 mark, actually. Are you in touch with today's adolescents at all?

The thing I quote you were bitching at me for 16 year olds dating 18 year olds and I DON'T have an issue with that.

Honestly you really don't pay attention to what OTHERS are saying.

I'm sorry, what? With that level of communication it's not hard to see why anybody would have trouble understanding what you're attempting to say. That being said; I have not been arguing on only one subject throughout the thread. In my posts I have addressed both the arguments simultaneously. Maybe this is where you're getting confused? I was arguing specifically about someone mislabeling this as pedophilia, and you argued against that. I brought up a counterpoint and you switched that immediate topic over to authority figures (teachers). It had nothing to do with that specific argument, but you kept on going on as if I was talking about that from the start.

If you want to argue about my position on one argument, don't give your response to it directly after quoting a different argument.

You see "Taking advantage of his naivete", I see "Just as planned" (or possibly "Better than I could have hoped for"). It's only seduction if the man has something to lose for it, or if he didn't want it.

To be fair, since we don't know the situation extensively it could be either way. If he really was naive and was taken advantage of then that's a shame. On the other hand if this is what he was shooting for, then high-five, etc. At 14 it's really hard to say which one is more likely. Had he been 15 or 16 then it would be pretty easy to safely assume it was a "Just as planned" moment.

[Brutala]

The only immoral things she did were putting herself in jail when she should be taking care of 3 kids; and indirectly letting the whole world know that her husband's dick is smaller than any 14-year-old's.

[Vail]

I hadn't thought that females were as promiscuous as males, considering that males can spread their seed to any number of females to increase the chances of their genes being passed on, whereas females give birth to only a limited number of offspring during their lifetime and try to make sure only the best genes get passed on.

"Today’s human population is descended from twice as many women as men.
I think this difference is the single most under appreciated fact about gender. To get that kind of difference, you had to have something like, throughout the entire history of the human race, maybe 80% of women but only 40% of men reproduced.

…..Most men who ever lived did not have descendants who are alive today. Their lines were dead ends….”

source:
From “Is There Anything Good About Men?”
American Psychological Association, Invited Address, 2007
Roy F. Baumeister
Eppes Eminent Professor of Psychology & Head of Social Psychology Area,
Florida State University


guess those increased chances for us men aren't working out so well
think it's safe to assume based on that; that most women get around ('-'*)

[Ksandra]

I'm sorry, what? With that level of communication it's not hard to see why anybody would have trouble understanding what you're attempting to say

I'm not bothering with you anymore. You keep wanting to "decide" what the topic of the thread is about, and wanting to "decide" what my views are after I've stated them several times, on top of "deciding" what everyone else apparently thinks in the thread. So really doesn't matter at this point. Your being a deaf brick wall and it's just pointless. I've stated my thoughts on the matter and that's the end of that.


More about Kuya's hot professor for we have yet to see pics of him.

[Kuya]

I do not have hot pics of him but i will be sure to get some so everyone can see how hot he is.

[Plow]

Man my whole fucking life I've had a grand total of 1 teacher I wanted to fuck, and that was a 100 level socio teacher, i.e. grad student. (drop dead gorgeous India-n chick)



It's really quite simple, though.

The reality is that for the most part when this happens with an adult male and a young female, it's the male taking advantage of things like a lack of understanding of "love", or even as simple as promising better grades, etc. etc., to get the girl to do something she probably wouldn't want to do normally, i.e. have sex with an old guy.


With a guy... it's a teacher knowing every guy in the room wants to fuck and deciding she's ok with a certain 1.


I'm not saying it's obviously that way 100% of the time, but that's the basic perception.


Call it a double standard if you like, but there really is a huge difference between getting someone to have sex because they want to, and getting someone to have sex because they're dumb and you can convince them to.

[Acturus]

Wow, this was a great thread that totally got shit.

Good job, all.

Also, principal, boat, gangbang. WHERE IS THIS STORY?

[Melchiah]

I'm not saying it's obviously that way 100% of the time, but that's the basic perception.


Call it a double standard if you like, but there really is a huge difference between getting someone to have sex because they want to, and getting someone to have sex because they're dumb and you can convince them to.

Goddamn, I have to agree with someone I'm normally diametrically opposed to. However, Plow makes an excellent point with this statement.

[Acturus]

http://www.burbankleader.com/content...beck050810.jpg

why couldnt I have teachers like this?

So, I googled the name, found another picture... Looks like the Myspace angle strikes again!

http://starcasm.net/wp-content/uploa...myBeckToga.jpg

[Alleya]

I'm not saying it's obviously that way 100% of the time, but that's the basic perception.


Call it a double standard if you like, but there really is a huge difference between getting someone to have sex because they want to, and getting someone to have sex because they're dumb and you can convince them to.

It is a double standard, and I don't think you can really dismiss it. Going on the responses in this thread and the logic of this post we can break it down this way:

Guys in these relationships just want sex and are not affected by the relationship, therefore it's ok.

Girls in these relationships are coerced or are dumb enough to be convinced and don't really want sex, therefore it is bad.

These rest on two very large assumptions about the nature of gender differences that are at their core sexist, much as people hate that word.

Neither my view nor the view of people in this thread take into account the immense complexity of these sorts of relationships. There's the potential for all kinds of shit to be going on in both parties involved, no matter if it's an older woman or an older man, hetero or homosexual. These kind of relationships are frowned on for exactly this reason. Typically, the older person in the relationship is exercising a lot of power over the younger person, which is often emotionally damaging or even abusive, and the potential consequences are dire. This is not an issue of maturity, it's an issue of statistics.

If we're to take the argument of maturity and desire seriously, then it should be ok for a girl to have sex with an older man, as long as she's emotionally mature and sex is what she wants. But it's clear from the responses here that people do not actually allow women to have that exception that is so readily given to men. It is only OK for boys to have sex with older women, because we can safely assume that they only want sex because after all, men are the promiscuous gender right? I think I pointed out earlier that this assumption is faulty because girls want sex just as much as guys do on average, and this conception of them as sexually neutral beings is just wrong and, yes, sexist. I am not trying to argue about the nature of the relationships here, but rather the justifications some have given for why some are wrong and some aren't based purely on the genders of the people involved. Read that last sentence again, that's the important one.

This also raises the original question of why an older man with a younger boy is automatically a bad gross thing when you are talking about essentially the same dynamic. The boy just wants sex, so why is it a problem? After all, men are just like that, right? It's fascinating to me how the moment you change something so arbitrary as the gender of the older person, suddenly the assumptions made about the nature of the relationship pull a total 180.

[Ohemgee]

Kill it with fire.

[Yuri-G]

alleya has a good point - if we're basing the double standard off of the difference in sex drives and consequences for guys vs. girls, why freak out when an older male teacher fucks a boy?

the answer, of course, being that it has nothing to do with the psyches of the children (young adults, really) themselves - it has to do with projecting your experiences onto those of the person in question. ask a large group of gay men and you'll probably hear more than one "niiiiice" when you hear about a hot young male gym teacher feeling up a sixteen-year-old male student.

for what it's worth, I have no personal opinion on the subject. I can see it both ways, and I don't really know what's right. in theory, a teacher should never use their power to coerce someone into sex, and even when that person wants sex, it's often impossible to avoid that influence you have over them just the same. no matter how consensual it is, you can't get around the fact that you have power over this person.

on the other hand, I would have killed for at least one of my teachers in high school to "molest" me, would never have told, and would probably have turned out just the same or better if it had happened. so how can I say it's wrong?

[Kuya]

Seriously that french professor.

[archibaldcrane]

This also raises the original question of why an older man with a younger boy is automatically a bad gross thing when you are talking about essentially the same dynamic. The boy just wants sex, so why is it a problem? After all, men are just like that, right? It's fascinating to me how the moment you change something so arbitrary as the gender of the older person, suddenly the assumptions made about the nature of the relationship pull a total 180.

When we start seeing these boys who fucked their female teachers file lawsuits, talk about how scarred they were by the experience, and generally have their lives fall to shambles because of it, then we'll start treating the two situations the same.

Just sayin' - it's the effect on the minor that is the most important factor here, that is what we gauge the "evilness" of the act upon - and I think this thread shows that people believe the least negative effects are on the boys who fuck their female teachers, then the girls who fuck their male teachers, then the most damaging are the boys who are fucked by their male priests/little league coaches/uncles.

[Alleya]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Represe...ness_heuristic

What about all the girls who had relationships with older men who weren't bothered by it? Or the boys who had relationships with older men.

The assumptions change based on gender alone. When people make comments like

If my son was fucking his teacher, I'd high five him.

If my daughter were fucking her teacher, I'd ground her until she was 18.

they are not making a judgment about the emotional impact on the minor. It is hypocrisy, there really is no way to skirt around the issue.

[Yuri-G]

When we start seeing these boys who fucked their female teachers file lawsuits, talk about how scarred they were by the experience, and generally have their lives fall to shambles because of it, then we'll start treating the two situations the same.

Just sayin' - it's the effect on the minor that is the most important factor here, that is what we gauge the "evilness" of the act upon - and I think this thread shows that people believe the least negative effects are on the boys who fuck their female teachers, then the girls who fuck their male teachers, then the most damaging are the boys who are fucked by their male priests/little league coaches/uncles.

you have a point, but I think this says more about society's attitudes towards homosexuality than it does the actual circumstance of gay adult/teen sex. the stigma and pressure can be too much for a young gay mind to deal with at that age. if gays were just as accepted as straights, I don't think this would be a problem.