Random Question Thread X: Fucking 99 Level Cap, How Does it Work?

[Cream Soda]

On what mob, with what gear...?

And you obviously wouldn't use dusk+1 or blitz if acc is uncapped, unless you have more than ~70% haste.

Colibri, same set up as in the previous math post, for simplicity

[rog]

Oh. You're uncapped for 82 birds either way. Better off switching to tor ring either way, and aurum as well for fort.

[Cream Soda]

Negative on the swapping of rings.

93% hitrate on lv 82 birds

95/93 = 2.15% increase.

23% haste in gear, double march hasso
1/32 = 3.125% increase

Unless you were looking at my non hasso acc, which I don't join any pt in which I'm not capable of fulltiming it

[mdkuser]

Anyone want to double check my math rq on Bonesplitter vs OAT Luchtaine

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Going off the set I'll have when I ding 75

http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=156458

77+16+5 str = 98 str

Colibri have 67 vit, which gives us 8fstr

So now we have

Bonesplitter: 108 DMG
Luchtaine: 84 DMG

In my the set up above, we have 22% DA between job trait, merits, and pole grip.

Bonesplitter: 22% DA
Luchtaine: 22% DA, 40% OAT

Bonesplitter will average: 108 x 1.22 = 131.76 DMG/attack round.

For Luchtaine, DA and OAT can't proc at the same time. We'll say DA gets priority (though you'd get the same result if OAT got priority).

Since DA is taking priority, it goes uninterrupted, you get a 22% chance to DA.
For OAT, it has a 40% proc rate, but can't proc when DA procs. So, it can only even has the chance to proc 78% of the time.
.4 x .78 = 31.2% chance to proc.

For each attack, you gain .22 of an attack from DA and .312 of an attack from OAT, for a total DA/OAT rate of 53.2%

84 x 1.532 = 128.668 DMG/attack round on average.

Also, we have 504 vs 514 delay, the 504 delay isn't a 6hit, but if you at least land two hits of your ws (the first hit being one), it's a 6hit. So, we'll call them both a 6hit in this case.

So, for DoT in respect to Stonesplitter

DMG: 131.76/128.668 = 2.403% increase
Delay: 1/(504/514) = 1.984% increase in attack speed

DoT in respect to stonesplitter: 1.02403 x 1.01984 = 4.435% increase



Looking at WS, based on this set
Raging Rush
http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=158388

Stonesplitter:
100 DMG
Fstr: 17
WSC: 49+77+5 str = 131STR 131 x .35 = 45.85~45, 45 x .83 = 37.37~37 WSC = 37

Raging rush is a 3hit WS, this set has capped acc. Under the assumption that only the first two hits can double attack
We have an average of 1.22 + 1.22 + 1 = 3.44 hits per raging rush
With our acc capped at 95%, we have an average of .95 x 3.44 3.268 landed hits.

For simplicity's sake, we will say the first hit lands (since it will have more ftp than the other hits)

Our average ftp will be 3.368

100 (dmg) + 17 (fstr) + 37 (wsc) = 154 DMG

154 x 3.368 = 518.672 average DMG


Luchtaine:
76 DMG
Fstr: 16 (Fstr cap on Luch is 16, so we don't get the 17th dmg)
WSC: 37

76 (Dmg) + 16 (fstr) + 37 (wsc) = 129 DMG

Same FTP as above

129 x 3.368 = 434.472 average DMG

In terms of Stonesplitter:
518.672/434.472 = 19.3798% increase in WS damage.



As said before, Stonesplitter will average 1.22 attacks per and Luchtaine will average 1.532
accounting for no tp overflow
Stone splitter will gain 1.22/1.532 = 79.6345% of the tp as Luchtaine (if you account for TP overflow and WS' gained from meditate, this will be a bit less)

And finally, from delay, the same as earlier
Delay: 1/(504/514) = 1.984% increase in attack speed

DMG: 19.3798% increase
Number of attacks per round: 79.6345% of the number of attacks for Luchtaine
Delay: 1.984% increase

1.193798 x .796345 x 1.01984 = 96.95% of the ws damage as Luchtaine

Assuming a 40/60 DoT/WS split

We have


(1.04435 x .4) + (.9695 x .6) = .99944 x 99.944%

Bonesplitter will do 99.944% of the damage as Luchtaine

If you want to put it in terms of Luchtaine
100/99.944 = 100.056 = 0.056% increase in damage.

They're essentially equal w/o looking at external TP. Once you add in TP gained from meditate, WS lost/not gained from tp overflow, and WS from TP gained from retaliation, they % increase of WS in favor of Luchtaine will decrease, which makes bonesplitter our winner.

w/o even looking at TP excess, and since you maths for caped accuracy, you should be comparing to luchtain with a sword strap[use white thaltum if you want during WS]. Also TP excess will defavor luchtain in terms of WS, but it will favor it in terms of melee dmg, so it is not clear which one wins.

[rog]

Negative on the swapping of rings.

93% hitrate on lv 82 birds

95/93 = 2.15% increase.

23% haste in gear, double march hasso
1/32 = 3.125% increase

Unless you were looking at my non hasso acc, which I don't join any pt in which I'm not capable of fulltiming it

Duh, my bad.

[rog]

double post

[Byrthnoth]

Well, I forget the source for this, but recently someone did some Fortification parses and decided that Fortitude Axe's DAs seem to be able to proc Virtue stone procs of their own, but the number of possible attacks per round is suppressed to 3.

So lets say you start with a 50% Virtue Stone proc rate:
50/50
And then you have add 22% Double Attack rate and suppress 4-hit rounds down to three:
39/41.42/19.58

I forget which of these is right, or even if it was ever figured out.

So lets say you start with a 22% DA rate:
78/22
And then you have add 50% Virtue Stone proc rate on either hit and make it so only one stone can be consumed per round:
39/44.5/16.5

I suspect it's probably the second (I've never seen two virtue stones get used in one round when using Fort Axe), but I don't remember if they ever figured it out conclusively. Regardless, you can guess somewhere around 39/42/18 for your simulations.

[cdgreg]

Did anyone else have any issues loggin in this morning? Woke up to both pcs dc'd to no response from the server and unable to connect to network. Tried logging back in on both pcs but both hung at checking pol version and eventually got similar network/server unable to connect messages then pol gave me an unable to complete version update screen. Tried rebooting pcs and router but I forgot to try logging in without windower. I was also unable to load up playonline.com in a web browser but other sites worked fine. Was there an update of any kind last night or is my connection just being weird?

Time Warner cable, NY

[Carraway]

What's the exact procedure for bringing a PL into an MMM experience maze? Drop party before or after goblin warp?

[Chen]

personally, i order maze, sync, warp, then have the PL drop pt to ensure nothing funny happens.

although i imagine you could just enter right into the maze then drop pt for same affect

[mdkuser]

faiths can proc off of a kick attack, so it's not surprising that fort can proc off of a da

No, it cannot. I just double checked it it cannot. fighting a bird for 2 minute with footwork atm, still 99/99 stones. For faith it's 3 attack per fist, and one kick, max.

[Midnightjade]

Yeah my bad misread also. Can only do 3 attacks max.

That was also my understanding from messing around with Temperance Axe and Brutal, max of 3 on single wield and 5 on Maneater/Temp dual wield. It's that DA does not compound with but does not interfere with Jailer DA (I think that was it, anyhow), and stacking DA gives diminishing returns.

Not a mathematician and I only spend around 5% of my time on BST so take that with a pinch of salt.

[mdkuser]

cancel footwork, and then tell me what happens

do it your self? then tell me after your 50k sample size what happens. it doesnt proc on kicks because it doesnt proc during footwork, period.

[Fottiti]

It should happen 40-50% (w/e the proc rate is) on kicks so surely it would take 5mins max to test. Don't wear any haste gear and it should be extremely easy to see if you are DAing on a kick.

I have faiths and have also never noticed a virtue stone proc on kick attacks but mnk gets used once a month if that and normally use destroyers.

[Gosyac]

Anyone know the average acc needed to cap at:
Dyna/Ein/Limbus?
Sky gods/Sea Jailers?
HNMs?

[ZhiGaruda]

quit like a month ago, don't really feel like logging on unless i'm lonely

Alternate explanation: I lied, and don't want to admit mdk might be right

[ZhiGaruda]

i know it looks like a cop out, but pretty sure thorny can verify this for me

I remember you/Makod saying the same thing, actually. But I never witnessed it, and seeing as Mdk is logged in trying it now, versus you/Makod months ago, I'd go with ninja-update or you were wrong.

Either way, test it yourself or end-debate

[Cream Soda]

i've seen it happen myself a number of times

Faiths can't proc on kick attacks. This is what you are seeing. On any other weapon, the order of attacks is

Attack > DA > Stone

For faiths, the order of attacks

Attack > DA > Kicks > Stones

If you ever get a stone and DA to proc in the same attack round, your kick will show first, but the kick itself can't be DA'd by a stone. If that was the case, you'd be able to do an 8 attack round and it wouldn't be THAT rare. It wouldn't be your common every fight thing, but you'd be able to see it. Max I've ever done is 7, and I use the hell out of faith baghs.

If you get two stone procs and 2 DAs, it'll look like this

Punch > DA > DA > kick > DA > DA

[Midnightjade]

I've heard of folks soloing UFO's in Sea but am not sure how it's done or which jobs can do it (guessing BLM or RDM). Any pointers?

This is more out of interest than anything else. Thanks.

[edit - just found the Kanican link, so nevermind and please disregard]

[Cream Soda]

I'm not sure on solo'ing but which are yo uattempting? Ul' or Om'? Cause if it's Ul' just grab a 2nd person and do Om' instead for 100% drop rate.