Random Question Thread X: Fucking 99 Level Cap, How Does it Work?

[Thorny]

I did some rough (read: rough) math on OAT Dagger yesterday and couldn't see how any nonrelic dagger combination could beat Blau/Athame (or whichever way it goes around) in a situation where melee DoT is worthwhile and a Dakini's acc won't push you into Rapparee Harness etc. Did I do something horribly wrong? I ended up getting the figure that based on "average attack frequency per round" ONLY compared with a normal dagger, it was a 24% increase to DoT and around that figure increase to weaponskill damage.

sounds right for trash mobs, but on things where your DoT is simply a method of getting TP then x's/athame is beast

lucky for me, i've got all of em :3

[Raen Ryong]

Yeah, I'd agree that X's/Athame is going to be the best on anything where melee DoT is comparatively unimportant. Basically I'm trying to decide which of the magian daggers to go for and Athame seems to be winning by a landslide.

[Neosutra]

Saw some math on Zham about the daggers. Athame isnt much better TP rate than Sirrico (like identical) with slightly better DoT.

Perfect Fane beats Blau already and the new Dex daggers beat perfect fane..

Double Dex daggers seems to be the new non relic winning combination. 20 acc in weapon slots opens a plethora of other gear alternatives depending on food/mob.

[Thorny]

Saw some math on Zham about the daggers. Athame isnt much better TP rate than Sirrico (like identical) with slightly better DoT.

Perfect Fane beats Blau already and the new Dex daggers beat perfect fane..

Double Dex daggers seems to be the new non relic winning combination. 20 acc in weapon slots opens a plethora of other gear alternatives depending on food/mob.

Dynamis/Salvage are the primary situations where a THF's damage is relevant and you want a THF present for TH. I can cap accuracy as is with 25% haste, skadi's chausses, and pizza.. unless you're gonna argue for real meat and a fraction of a % of haste being worth trashing weapon slots I don't see where you're going. Sure, there are other situations, but feint still accounts for 25% of the time and you can't exactly macro weapons for feint on/off. Would you mind listing a few of the situations where you're going to want to use double acc dakinis?

[Martinius]

ranger stuff

Any advice? Thanks

a small upgrade would be to pick up a flame gorget. i know i'm gonna get lol'ed, but there are occasionally circumstances where it is more prudent to use arching arrow, and this gives it a little bump.

also, since you have skadi legs, you may want to look into picking up a mekki shakki from experimental lamia. i don't know the maths well enough to know if you'd have to give up the ebow, but i know a mekki helps with a 5-hit.

[Thorny]

Mekki, Rose, Rajas, Skadi is a 5hit iirc, was either 21 or 22 stp.. if it's 22 could just tack on brutal

[TacoTaru]

Owning X's, Blau and Sirocco I've always heard that X's/Blau is the trump set unless you own Mandau/X's, but is there a situation in which X's/Sirocco will beat out X's/Blau?

Different question and judging from Thorny's comments I'm going to assume this is a no, but does the DEX+4, ACC+8 have use on Thief or not?

[Thorny]

It's great if your accuracy is low enough to make use of it. Unfortunately, this means you're probably doing something wrong.

[Zubuis]

a small upgrade would be to pick up a flame gorget. i know i'm gonna get lol'ed, but there are occasionally circumstances where it is more prudent to use arching arrow, and this gives it a little bump.

also, since you have skadi legs, you may want to look into picking up a mekki shakki from experimental lamia. i don't know the maths well enough to know if you'd have to give up the ebow, but i know a mekki helps with a 5-hit.

True I never really thought about it. I already have a flame gorget. I actually just got a breeze the other day, originally had snow, soil and flame. But I can make another script that flips out the gorget for Arching easily enough, for the few times I use it.

Yeah would like to get a mekki shakki, I really dislike ZNM though so I dont know, but is something I can try and work on.

Though I can see a 5 Hit getting you into more trouble on RNG (on hate control) unless you had a yoichi so I dont know. :X

[TacoTaru]

TP gear on THF I posted from earlier this year

TP

Spoiler: show

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...ysimons/tp.png

Set has Cuch/Bomblet in it now instead of what's there. Use pizza; capped dagger merits. I assume this means that the ACC dagger won't do me any good? Ring is Toreador's btw.

[rog]

Mekki, Rose, Rajas, Skadi is a 5hit iirc, was either 21 or 22 stp.. if it's 22 could just tack on brutal

21 and /sam does it with ebow.

[Neosutra]

Dynamis/Salvage are the primary situations where a THF's damage is relevant and you want a THF present for TH. I can cap accuracy as is with 25% haste, skadi's chausses, and pizza.. unless you're gonna argue for real meat and a fraction of a % of haste being worth trashing weapon slots I don't see where you're going. Sure, there are other situations, but feint still accounts for 25% of the time and you can't exactly macro weapons for feint on/off. Would you mind listing a few of the situations where you're going to want to use double acc dakinis?

Acc Dakani's for Meriting (ya people still do that).

Acc Dakani/TH Knife still beats Blau/TH knife the 75% of the time that feint isnt up.

If you're a perfectionist you'd get:

2 acc Dakani's for pure DD places.

2 str Dakani's for zerg.

2 evasion Dakani's for soloing.

Im doing 2 dex dak's and 2 evasion, dont have time for 2 more atm Q.Q.

30 Evasion in weapons slot is just ridiculously nice.

[Neosutra]

TP gear on THF I posted from earlier this year

TP

Spoiler: show

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...ysimons/tp.png

Set has Cuch/Bomblet in it now instead of what's there. Use pizza; capped dagger merits. I assume this means that the ACC dagger won't do me any good? Ring is Toreador's btw.

Not really. You can get the acc daggers and swap back in attack for back/ranged, or even Acubens helm/Love torque/Tierciel, giving you more haste, more acc, and more attack than your current setup. Only time the acc would be wasted is during feint and the damage + 8 dex from the weapons doesnt exactly suck during feint phase either..

[Nightfyre]

Acc/dex sword beats perdu unless capped acc.

Not that straightforward. 14 attack is a decent amount for BLU and you're gaining one base damage in the mainhand. If the DEX doesn't affect anything (no base damage for spells, no crit tier on Vorpal), Perdu would win even if DEX Soulsaber brought you to cap provided you're not holding TP. Even if it does boost your spell damage it's still pretty close; pretty sure it favored Perdu when I ran the numbers. If you can make trades on that acc it might get a bit fuzzier, but I'm still inclined to say Perdu Hanger and STR Soulsaber are where it's at for the mainhand, generally speaking. If I was in an uncapped acc situation where I was holding TP I might look at the DEX Soulsaber, but that's about it.

[Darkmagi]

Shits situational I suppose.

[TacoTaru]

Not really. You can get the acc daggers and swap back in attack for back/ranged, or even Acubens helm/Love torque/Tierciel, giving you more haste, more acc, and more attack than your current setup. Only time the acc would be wasted is during feint and the damage + 8 dex from the weapons doesnt exactly suck during feint phase either..

You keep mentioning Blau in most of what you're discussing, but at what point if ever does Dakani beat the crit bonus that X's offer? Also would the exchange of a Dakani with DEX+4, ACC+8 and swapping in Foragers or Bomblet beat using an Athame with OAT?

[Neosutra]

You keep mentioning Blau in most of what you're discussing, but at what point if ever does Dakani beat the crit bonus that X's offer? Also would the exchange of a Dakani with DEX+4, ACC+8 and swapping in Foragers or Bomblet beat using an Athame with OAT?

If your DoT actually matters (i.e. your not fighting something where the majority of your damage comes from SA/TA like a high end NM), then the dex Dakani beats X's as well.

Assuming you can swap other spots out (i.e. you arent wasting acc depending on what you are fighting), Dex Dakanis beat -every- other combination save Relic. But again shit is situational. Str Dakanis beat everything else during zerg/feint phase.

Hell, Blau/Perfect Fane beat X/blau's already.. and Dex Dakani beats Perfect Fane so....

As for offhanding another Dex Dakani vs. Athame. That's pretty damn close and would depend on what you're fighting. Athame is basically Siricco TP rate with a bit higher DoT. Dex Dakanni is 4 str 4 dex and 15 attack more (assuming dex dakanni off hand and popping back on cerb+1 or foragers instead of Culc).

[Thorny]

Assuming you can swap other spots out (i.e. you arent wasting acc depending on what you are fighting), Dex Dakanis beat -every- other combination save Relic.

This requires that you put something useful in the spots you swap out. Gaining a few attack and fstr from switching tor<>strigoi and cuch<>cerb+1 doesn't come close to making dakinis superior. Adding Acubens and Tiercel would, but then the question becomes raised: Could you be doing better be changing meat<>pizza or pizza<>sushi and using the haste gear anyway? Usually yes. Dakini's DMG/Delay are not stellar, and while they give an awesome amount of accuracy, it has to be useful to matter.

But again shit is situational. Str Dakanis beat everything else during zerg/feint phase.

No, they don't.. your attack needs to be horrible for them to beat out blau/sirocco or blau/athame. You're not going to be macroing daggers during feint either, you could be macroing other slots.

Athame is basically Siricco TP rate with a bit higher DoT. Dex Dakanni is 4 str 4 dex and 15 attack more (assuming dex dakanni off hand and popping back on cerb+1 or foragers instead of Culc).

What? Cuch has 4 STR and 4 DEX on it.. the dakini is only 15 attack more.

[Meat]

My setup is sound.

HNM TP

Vulcan/Axe/Vali/Arrows
Turtle/Hope/Novia/Delta
Ebon/Blood/Rajas/Behemoth+1
Anemet+1/Buccaneer/Skadi/Scouts

High ACC WS

Vulcan/Rose(might be a waste) Vali/Arrows
Turtle/Breeze/Wilhelm set
Osode/Seiryu/Raja/Behemoth+1
Anemet+1/Buccaneer/Hachiryu/Hachiryu

High Damage WS

Vulcan/Rose(might be a waste) Vali/Arrows
Wyvern+1/Breeze/Triumph/Triumph
Osode/Skadi/Raja/Triumph
Anemet+1/Buccaneer/Hachiryu/Hachiryu

Gonna add Moogle helm WS ACC+15 2%damage STR4 AGI4
I also wanna try a Failnought with the -emn,+acc and an easier to achieve 5 hit.

hahahahahahahah Vali's bow. ahahahahahahah

[Ocara]

Is there ANY way to make it so the game prioritizes the sounds of ME fighting over the thousand blue mages in Cape Teriggan? It's pretty annoying that I can hit something and there's no sound, but I can hear the blue mage casting 9000 spells on himself half a mile away.

I wouldn't even mind the others' sounds if they didn't fuck me up, it's like the game literally silences me and whatever I'm fighting just so I can hear the fucking annoying casting sounds around me...

I don't know about prioritizing sound effects, but you can increase the max number of sound effects able to be heard at once in the windower setup config, which would at least play your sound effects as well as theirs.