Random Question Thread X: Fucking 99 Level Cap, How Does it Work?

[Neosutra]

This requires that you put something useful in the spots you swap out. Gaining a few attack and fstr from switching tor<>strigoi and cuch<>cerb+1 doesn't come close to making dakinis superior. Adding Acubens and Tiercel would, but then the question becomes raised: Could you be doing better be changing meat<>pizza or pizza<>sushi and using the haste gear anyway? Usually yes. Dakini's DMG/Delay are not stellar, and while they give an awesome amount of accuracy, it has to be useful to matter.

Yep, as I said: When you arent over on acc (already using pizza) and can swap out other spots, or when you are fighting something highly evasive. They win. You're basically vehemently agreeing with me. You just like to argue WAY to much to realize you are saying the same god damn thing.

No, they don't.. your attack needs to be horrible for them to beat out blau/sirocco or blau/athame. You're not going to be macroing daggers during feint either, you could be macroing other slots.

When is THF attack not horrible? Dia3/Angon/Minuets can cap you on some high end mobs, but not all, and your buffs vary. Shit is situational. Again, you're arguing just to argue. Besides your argument is RETARDED. In zerg, your acc is capped from feint, so Blau is just Att+ and slightly less delay, and you just made the argument that Att doesnt matter. The only thing half intelligent you said here was the faster TP rate of Athame (or Siricco), and it is questionable whether that beats out the base damage difference, fStr, and Attack.

What? Cuch has 4 STR and 4 DEX on it.. the dakini is only 15 attack more.

Yep you're right, my mistake. It also only has 7 acc on it (counting the dex). So Dakani/3 more acc and 15 more att over that setup.

[xIndustrialxAngelx]

hahahahahahahah Vali's bow. ahahahahahahah

I don't understand what's wrong with Vali's bow =( am I getting whooshed?

[Hyriu]

I don't understand what's wrong with Vali's bow =( am I getting whooshed?

His Yoichi attest won't drop.

lol

[Dathus]

I was browsing one of the Media threads and someone was talking about the OAT Polearm vs the V.Fork and saying OAT was better. When/where would V.Fork be outdone by the OAT Magian weapon?

[Kidnoftle]

I would imagine every instance in which you could melee and tp feeding isnt a problem (although if a double attack weapon is causing problems for you in terms of feeding tp then you should reevaluate your strategy)

[Mazmaz]

How much better would you say OAT G.Axe is better than Perdu? Worth the effort (assume I never have a RDM that will refresh me, etc)?

[Cream Soda]

I'm sure someone would math it out, but I'm pretty sure both DMG+ and OAT gax beat out perdu.

[seiji]

not thf but the thf trial stuf make me think of something like:http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=160167 with dex dakini. good for anything?

[Mrbeansman]

Whats the best place for Slime magian trials?

[SteveMc]

Is there any easy way to cap Guard on MNK? I'm currently at 110 and want to atleast get it 200+
Good places to start, sub job and gear needed?
Thanks.

[Chen]

can i use allied ring on w/e job, then swap to lv. 7 THF without losing the exp bonus?

[tsola]

Whats the best place for Slime magian trials?

Mire is the best. Just check the NPC in whitegate before you head out. There's only 2 slimes at the camp, with a 5minure respawn. It will be a slow process though.

[Mercilessturtle]

can i use allied ring on w/e job, then swap to lv. 7 THF without losing the exp bonus?

Yes.

[Thorny]

Yep, as I said: When you arent over on acc (already using pizza) and can swap out other spots, or when you are fighting something highly evasive. They win. You're basically vehemently agreeing with me. You just like to argue WAY to much to realize you are saying the same god damn thing.

You're saying DEX dakinis are god, you didn't even mention that they can't be used in many situations because you'll cap acc regardless.

When is THF attack not horrible? Dia3/Angon/Minuets can cap you on some high end mobs, but not all, and your buffs vary. Shit is situational. Again, you're arguing just to argue. Besides your argument is RETARDED. In zerg, your acc is capped from feint, so Blau is just Att+ and slightly less delay, and you just made the argument that Att doesnt matter. The only thing half intelligent you said here was the faster TP rate of Athame (or Siricco), and it is questionable whether that beats out the base damage difference, fStr, and Attack.

If you honestly think 2 STR dakinis will beat Blau/Sirocco, I have no idea what to tell you. With SV minuets, pizza, and dia3/angon you're going to cap attack on almost all high end mobs, literally all if level correction is applied after ratio is capped. Let's say you don't, you're already at 600 attack. Adding 12 attack to 600(28 - 16 blau) is ~2% damage during melee and WS. Adding 8 STR is about 2 fSTR, so you have dmg:36 weapons assuming neutral fstr beforehand(fair guess for zerg stuff, might even be negative). Now, onto the meat.

Dakini x2, 20% DW = 4.7 tp/hit, 152 delay/hit, 32.3 delay/tp
Blau/Sirocco, 20% DW = 4.5 tp/hit, 132 delay/hit, 29.3 delay/tp

10.2% more tp over time with blau/sirocco
now, looking into damage
d:72 304 delay = (72 * pdif) / 304 damage per delay = .2368*pdif damage per delay
d:59 262 delay = (59 * pdif) / 262 damage per delay = .2251*pdif damage per delay

compound

1.02(gain from attack) * .2368 = .2415*pdif damage per delay for dakinis
.2415 / .2251 = 7.2% increase in damage during TP with dakini
1.102 / 1.02 = 8.0% increase in damage during WS(through quantity) with blau/sirocco

Quick math, didn't use a specific monster's level correction, but also didn't factor in that a large % of your damage comes from SA/TA, during which the dakini's attack does nothing. They'll usually come out behind, and in situations where they're ahead it's minimal.. not to mention any attack being wasted over cap.

If you want to name a precise situation, gear set, and swaps that'll be done to make DEX dakini useful go for it and I'll do the complete math for it. Otherwise, I'm sticking with them being meh. Eva ones are awesome of course, the rest are just lackluster if your other gear is adequate.

[Pikarya]

Anyone have the timeline SE released around last event? Iirc it showed the progression of level caps being raised.

From Russia with love~

[Neosutra]

You're saying DEX dakinis are god, you didn't even mention that they can't be used in many situations because you'll cap acc regardless.


If you honestly think 2 STR dakinis will beat Blau/Sirocco, I have no idea what to tell you. With SV minuets, pizza, and dia3/angon you're going to cap attack on almost all high end mobs, literally all if level correction is applied after ratio is capped. Let's say you don't, you're already at 600 attack. Adding 12 attack to 600(28 - 16 blau) is ~2% damage during melee and WS. Adding 8 STR is about 2 fSTR, so you have dmg:36 weapons assuming neutral fstr beforehand(fair guess for zerg stuff, might even be negative). Now, onto the meat.

Dakini x2, 20% DW = 4.7 tp/hit, 152 delay/hit, 32.3 delay/tp
Blau/Sirocco, 20% DW = 4.5 tp/hit, 132 delay/hit, 29.3 delay/tp

10.2% more tp over time with blau/sirocco
now, looking into damage
d:72 304 delay = (72 * pdif) / 304 damage per delay = .2368*pdif damage per delay
d:59 262 delay = (59 * pdif) / 262 damage per delay = .2251*pdif damage per delay

compound

1.02(gain from attack) * .2368 = .2415*pdif damage per delay for dakinis
.2415 / .2251 = 7.2% increase in damage during TP with dakini
1.102 / 1.02 = 8.0% increase in damage during WS(through quantity) with blau/sirocco

Quick math, didn't use a specific monster's level correction, but also didn't factor in that a large % of your damage comes from SA/TA, during which the dakini's attack does nothing. They'll usually come out behind, and in situations where they're ahead it's minimal.. not to mention any attack being wasted over cap.

If you want to name a precise situation, gear set, and swaps that'll be done to make DEX dakini useful go for it and I'll do the complete math for it. Otherwise, I'm sticking with them being meh. Eva ones are awesome of course, the rest are just lackluster if your other gear is adequate.

You SA/TA during Zerg?

Attack does nothing during SA/TA?

You really know nothing about THF.

You seriously have no clue what you're talking about.

[LilWhmMan]

I'm sure someone would math it out, but I'm pretty sure both DMG+ and OAT gax beat out perdu.

Could we get some math on this? I've been thinking about upgrading one of these, but want to know it's actually better before I do.

[Thorny]

You SA/TA during Zerg?

You don't? 1 second use time for an additional ~100 base damage and guaranteed crit..

Attack does nothing during SA/TA?

Pdif has a cap, a critical hit with SV mins, dia3, and angon is going to be capped, period. Stop taking things out of context to stroke your inflated ego. If you disagree with me, show some math to prove otherwise.

You really know nothing about THF.

You seriously have no clue what you're talking about.

Your mother sucks cocks in hell. Hey, look, I can insult people with no basis in fact too!

[Aerynlia]

Your mother sucks cocks in hell.

Captain obvious.

[Neosutra]

Wow, so this is Thorny when he is proven to be talking out of his ass and throws a fit about it.

Anyways, Im not going to shit up this thread, 2 people already banned for it.

For those that play/enjoy/understand THF, I recommend the Dex/Agi/Str daggers (all 3 for perfectionist), Dex Daggers for people looking for new ways to push your DD limits, Agi daggers because 30 evasion in the weapons slot is brokenly awesome for THF, and Str if you have no job and really want to do 6 Magian weapons just for THF..

Pick what you like. But fee free to sell your Blau's lol.