New Version Update Announcement! (05/14/2010)

[Zumi]

I'll be pretty pissed off if the new weapons skills aren't obtained just simply by skilling up your weapon skill level.

I hate trails of the magians. Its one of the most tedious and boring quests SE has ever added, fuck using a WS 1500 times then kill shotting easy prey with a WS 1500 more times. Theres nothing remotely fun about it. They didn't even try to make it challenging or interesting its just outright boring designed to waste 60+ hours of your time. I don't think I can find one person who liked it.

[Hyan]

I hate trails of the magians. Its one of the most tedious and boring quests SE has ever added, fuck using a WS 1500 times then kill shotting easy prey with a WS 1500 more times. Theres nothing remotely fun about it. They didn't even try to make it challenging or interesting its just outright boring designed to waste 60+ hours of your time. I don't think I can find one person who liked it.

Relic weapon holders should be the last people to complain about the system. You've already done the most tedious, shittiest quest there is for your epeen so this one should be nothing for you guys.

[Xanthe]

While 275 would work, I simply think that SE would want us to "earn" it somehow. Having everyone at 75 with the appropriate skill logging in and having instant access to a new WS just seems slightly off, based on what SE normally does.

I only used 275 as an example that didn't include ramping up the skill earned per level. Realistically it would be a combination of both. Who's to say they wouldn't have the weapon skills branch and only award specific ones to specific jobs? If that becomes the case comparing skill levels between jobs is irrelevant because they can set the progression per job and award weapon skills at varying skill levels. I'm not discounting the possibility of no more quested weapon skills. I'm just showing it's possible they could revert to skill-based ones.

[ringthree]

Walk of Echos is supposed to serve as both an Endgame area (Sky/sea) and also the entrance to Abyssea. Walk of Echos itself is a very large area that seems to be separated into 4 smaller sections as noted by the 4 Atmos's. To pay $10 to only access one section of Walk of Echos seems a bit far fetched:

Map from the Walk of Echos thread

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Tummie, could you point me to the information where SE said that Walk of Echoes is going to be the entrance to Abyssea?

It seems kind of illogical to make an expansion area that is dependent upon access to a recently released end-game area. SE has always, always, always made expansion areas accessible from old-world zones. Sure, things are changing, but I don't think they are going to change that radically. Also, consider that current Abyssea NMs appear in the present and the past. There doesn't seem to be a reason to believe that Abyssea won't be separate and distinct from Walk of Echoes.

So, logically I don't think it will happen. SE has already shown their utter disdain for logic, though.

[Hyan]

I have this image in my head that they said you'd get there using the present world maws, and not the WoE zone. Not sure though.

[Nevex]

Relic weapon holders should be the last people to complain about the system. You've already done the most tedious, shittiest quest there is for your epeen so this one should be nothing for you guys.

What kind of reasoning is that?
If anything, it's the exact opposite. After extremely tedious quests you'd expect to be "done" with them but nooo, you get to do more extremely tedious quests.

Part of me still hopes SE will lower the number of WS's for the first two trials like they did with Alexandrites (only to add an even worse third quest). And if they're not going to do that, I'm going to completely ignore these quests. Can't be bothered to do this crap.
Non-stop farming to fund those weapons at least had more variety.

[Karbuncle]

What do you think would have been a fair trial to upgrade your Relic weapons base damage by up to 7 points?

Serious question.

[Rionel]

New weaponskills yay! Can't get enough weapon skills.

Of course they show BST WS-ing though... with new looking AF armor too.

Damn you SE! D:

[Hyan]

What kind of reasoning is that?
If anything, it's the exact opposite. After extremely tedious quests you'd expect to be "done" with them but nooo, you get to do more extremely tedious quests.

Why are you doing those quests in the first place? To get stronger, to make your epeen bigger?

And when you are given a chance to become even stronger (with arguably so little effort compared to what you did before), you no longer want that?

Just as you "have to" do the relic weapon quest after you hit 75 after extremely tedious progress, now you "have to" do the trials to get even stronger. If you want to get stronger, you're going to do the quest, and this is the same case.

[TummieGaruda]

Tummie, could you point me to the information where SE said that Walk of Echoes is going to be the entrance to Abyssea?

It seems kind of illogical to make an expansion area that is dependent upon access to a recently released end-game area. SE has always, always, always made expansion areas accessible from old-world zones. Sure, things are changing, but I don't think they are going to change that radically. Also, consider that current Abyssea NMs appear in the present and the past. There doesn't seem to be a reason to believe that Abyssea won't be separate and distinct from Walk of Echoes.

So, logically I don't think it will happen. SE has already shown their utter disdain for logic, though.

I am at work at the moment but I'll have to dig thru my info. Based on what SE said, the speculation is that we will use the Maw's (present day) with a new feather (we use white feather to go back to the past) to take you to a special entrance in Walk of Echo's which then take you to Abyssea. Walk of Echos is what bridges the two worlds together.

[Dooom]

What do you think would have been a fair trial to upgrade your Relic weapons base damage by up to 7 points?

Serious question.

Rather than killing a thousand or so bullshit mobs - which isn't a quest, it's a timesink worse than most stuff in the game - I'd have sooner seen some sort of BCNMs or other battlefield fights.

[Darkmagi]

To be fair this is SE and that would require effort on their part. :/

[Hyan]

Rather than killing a thousand or so bullshit mobs - which isn't a quest, it's a timesink worse than most stuff in the game - I'd have sooner seen some sort of BCNMs or other battlefield fights.

The whole point is to give us timesinks so that we have stuff to do. BCNM's aren't going to accomplish that. We'll be done with them in a few days and go "waah not enough content SE Q_Q" all over the place, waiting for the next update to arrive.

I can't believe that you people haven't realized it yet. This is what keeps us playing and complaining instead of quitting. And it has worked nicely for almost a decade now.

To be fair this is SE and that would require effort on their part. :/

The older the game gets and the less players there are, the less effort they will put to making new updates. What else do you expect? "Let's sink even more money to this game even though it'll generate us no extra profit whatsoever!". Sure would be fine with us, but doesn't make sense from a business standpoint.

[Gwynplaine]

Hmmm, missed that. Comforting. Hopefully not copypasta, that will be cool. (If they actually introduce fresh areas, I'll buy them).

This is the biggest aspect of the add-ons I've been waiting to find out about. They keep saying it's "new areas" but Square is so dumb it's hard to give them enough credit to know what they're talking about. Until they explicitly show us, we don't know if "new areas" = portions of WoE because they think we're fucking stupid and haven't known about that zone for 2 years now. Or if "new areas" = brand new zones. It had better be the latter or I won't be pleased. And no dynamis-like recycling bullshit either.

Also the WotG missions pic. Pretty sure that is depicting the scene where Perih storms Castle O. with the bow of light to try to rescue that one RNG AF quest bitch and her daughter. The RNG AF story is all about it.

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They both die, but that's what they get for being obnoxious escort mission cunts.

[Hyan]

Or if "new areas" = brand new zones. It had better be the latter or I won't be pleased. And no dynamis-like recycling bullshit either.

You are delusional if you think we will get truly new zones.

It'll either be a part of WoE or reskinned 'new' zone.

If you don't stop expecting things that you shouldn't expect at this point of the game's life, you should just quit. If you don't like being displeased all the time that is.

[BRP]

You are delusional if you think we will get truly new zones.

It'll either be a part of WoE or reskinned 'new' zone.

If you don't stop expecting things that you shouldn't expect at this point of the game's life, you should just quit. If you don't like being displeased all the time that is.

Dude, you need your medicine. And maybe 15 minutes outside to cool down.

[Hyan]

Dude, you need your medicine. And maybe 15 minutes outside to cool down.

Probably. I'll be right regardless, though.

But let's say that the chance for what I said to happen is extremely big, to not completely embarrass myself when the update hits.

[Aelyn]

For me Abyssea = new version of conquests zone and its related to Rulude Garden npcs (see Magians and VNM talk about of Abyssea since March, but it seems players dont read these quests )

SE had never said Abyssea is connected to WoTG so far (but it could, yes)

Since they are doing FFXIV I doubt we'll see new zones but Dynamis-like zones

[Cairthenn]

It's not 'written' anywhere..but during Vanafest, Tanaka is questioned, "So that means new areas will be added?" and responds, "Yes, that is correct. Currently we are planning to develop it so we can add multiple areas and large-scale battle areas with each add-on."

Nowhere was it officially stated that Walk of Echoes is the "transition" area between Abyssea and the rest of the game..but given that the people on the premiere site are falling out of Atomos, it's more than likely.

[fantasticdan]

Didn't SE already say Abyssa would just be dynamis like zone reskins(or something to that effect)?