Senior with 4.09 GPA accepted at UC Berkeley, oh wait illegal immigrant

[Rhinox]

I-9's fall under Homeland Security/Dept. of Justice, according to this:

http://www.i-9help.com/I9Handbookm-2...09revision.pdf

One would reasonably guess they do check legal status for evidence of fraud, considering the long list of penalties to both employer and employee for fucking it up.

And that's for any job nowadays, save for:

1. Hired before November 7, 1986, who are continuing in their employment and have a reasonable expectation of employment at all times;
2. Employed for casual domestic work in a private home on a sporadic, irregular, or intermittent basis;
3. Independent contractors; or
4. Providing labor to you who are employed by a contractor providing contract services (e.g., employee leasing or temporary agencies).
5. Not physically working on U.S. soil.

(quoted from the handbook linked above)

So unless she's planning on any of the above or leaving the country to work, that college degree means jack shit.

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[Gredival]

You're fucking daft if you think that "coddle me please" LAC's are academically more challenging than "face in the crowd" public-ivies.

I would say yes, at least in some majors, because many of my friends who couldn't keep up with me grade-wise in HS have 4.0's at UCLA and high 3.8's at Cal.

And because all Harvard and Yale and Stanford have are Lib Arts majors, right? Hard and easy majors exist everywhere. English at Harvard might be easier than Physics at UCLA, but English is gonna be harder at Harvard than UCLA cuz there's less dumb people padding the curve

[CDF]

Curves exist?

(Do not want blab blab earnest riposte blab blab.)

[Kuya]

What has been and what currently is the policy of the US in regards to illegal cuban immigrants?

[archibaldcrane]

What has been and what currently is the policy of the US in regards to illegal cuban immigrants?

As far as I remember, if they reach land they are granted amnesty (i.e. not illegal). If they are picked up in boats by the coast guard, they are sent back to Cuba.

The 'wet foot/dry foot' policy.

[pohibaba]

As far as I remember, if they reach land they are granted amnesty (i.e. not illegal). If they are picked up in boats by the coast guard, they are sent back to Cuba.

The 'wet foot/dry foot' policy.

I know that they are allowed to stay in America, but I wonder what the policy to gain citizenship for them is.

On topic, I would tell her to do the same that I would tell any student: get your GE's done at a community college and then transfer to the university that you want to graduate from. Almost all students would benefit from spending some time at a community college to help them to mature and to help them save money. Plus the education you'll receive will probably be better because of the smaller class sizes and teachers who actually care about what they do.

[Gredival]

Curves exist?

(Do not want blab blab earnest riposte blab blab.)

Depends on school/major, but generally yes.

There are also some notoriously insane deflationary school curves too; Princeton enforces a strict bell

[CDF]

A guideline specifying an upper bound of 35% for all grades in undergrad courses being some form of A: you think this is actually insane grade deflation (more like attenuation of ridiculous grade inflation), and even enforcement of a strict "bell curve."

[Tetsukou]

Not that it really pertains to the girl in the OP, some of the misinformation in this thread about the I-9, SSn's, and IRS is buggin me, so...


The I-9 form is solely used to determine eligibility to work in the US. It is governed and regulated by the US Department of Justice, and has absolutely nothing to do with the IRS or paying taxes.

Your Social Security Number is an assignment for eligibility for Social Security benefits, welfare, medicare, and medicaid; it is governed by the Department of Health and Human Services. This widely used and accepted document is NOT a national ID number...though it is commonly used as such. It can be used as a form of ID on the I-9 in conjunction with others, but isn't the only thing that makes you eligible to work here. Resident Alien cards do the same thing. It can be used as a form of ID on the W-2 for reporting taxes, but so can the aforementioned ITIN.

The W-4 is the form that gets filled out and sent to the IRS for determining tax withholdings. You do not have to be a legal worker to pay taxes in the US...the law of the land is that you must pay taxes if you earn money in this country, legal or not. Example: a Resident Alien who does not qualify for a SSN still reports earnings and pays taxes using the ITIN. Their Resident Alien card allows them to work, the ITIN keeps their taxes straight.

Most workers who are illegal know they cannot apply for a tax refund without sending up a huge red flag, so they claim 6-10 exemptions and never pay any taxes through their payroll anyway.

[Plow]

I know that they are allowed to stay in America, but I wonder what the policy to gain citizenship for them is.

On topic, I would tell her to do the same that I would tell any student: get your GE's done at a community college and then transfer to the university that you want to graduate from. Almost all students would benefit from spending some time at a community college to help them to mature and to help them save money. Plus the education you'll receive will probably be better because of the smaller class sizes and teachers who actually care about what they do.

On the one hand I agree with this to some extent... on the other hand, people just don't understand how huge a part of life spending a year in the dorms is, and nobody wants to go back to that after living alone for a couple years.

[Mugekuge]

Yeah, they're all going to live with some family in Florida, go to Disney World, and then some asshole uncle is going to insist that they are better off living in Mexico with him.

At that point, Janet Reno will send in the SWAT team to find them all huddled in a closet.

What's up!

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[Kuya]

lol

[bechyni]

lol

lol indeed

[eunhye]

Get into Juco -> UC Berkley? Is that possible because that would save her a ton of money.

[Gredival]

A guideline specifying an upper bound of 35% for all grades in undergrad courses being some form of A: you think this is actually insane grade deflation (more like attenuation of ridiculous grade inflation), and even enforcement of a strict "bell curve."

Comparative to Princeton's peer schools? Yes it is pretty strict. Imagine having a seminar with an intense competitive selection process with only four students... and only one of you can get an A despite the fact that maybe legitimately everyone in the class deserves an A.

Every school has bright students at the top, the thing that distinguishes elite schools is that their median students are supposed to be smart as well. That's why the relevant numbers are median, not 99th percentile... cause every school has some perfect SAT / GPA kids on merit scholarship at least.

The problem with grade deflation is that inflation itself is predominantly an attempt to mitigate the strength of the student body from harming the students themselves -- in job searches, grad school applications, etc. While there may be some delineations between the best and average between the student body there is also the realization that on an absolute scale the average paper could still be of very high quality. And it sucks for the median students that being average gets them a B when they could have gone to a less rigorous school and gotten an A and had better employment prospects.

You really think that, on average, an A in Tijuana Tech is as easy to get as a B at Harvard? Or how about padded GPA's from CC transfers? I realize it is a very smart option for lots of students, but there can be no question that CC classes are generally less competitive and transfer GPAs are usually inflated. You can tell that the comparative quality of these schools isn't just hype when you look at all of the average standardized test scores. Median LSAT, MCAT, GREs - they are all higher at the elite schools. Sure it's not 100% accurate, but it's a pretty good indication of correlation between prestige and median student quality.

[CDF]

It's an "expectation," not a hard rule. No, it simply is not a "bell curve" if you bothered to look up what the policy actually is (no limit on the proportion of Bs). In any case, if one's papers constituted uniformly outstanding work over the whole course, the expectation doesn't prevent one from being awarded an A when many other peers in the same course have also submitted uniformly outstanding work.

It's now been six years since the policy was implemented, so current Princeton grade whores (whose negative reaction to such a policy says more about them, mostly negative, than about the policy itself), have no real basis to whine and literally need not have applied much less matriculated (if they're so 1337 they were probably admitted to other 1337 schools) if they don't value the networking and other career-advancement opportunities an institution like Princeton has to offer (if not the intellectual challenges; so much for the liberal arts ethos), which in general matter much more than grades.

Even if one had a middling GPA for, say, med school admission (like 3.5), nothing's stopping you from getting a 40+ MCAT and being first author on 3+ papers as an undergrad, and I doubt that even if one would have hypothetically had a 3.8 GPA instead at Rutgers instead along with the same credentials, being at Princeton would have seriously proscribed one's prospects for med school admission.

Whining about grade deflation usually comes down to arguing Lake Wobegon and paying a lot for being at an elite institution, neither compelling arguments. I need not mention how pointless and irrelevant it is to cite central measures of standardized test scores and correlations as though they reveal non-obvious insights.