Senior with 4.09 GPA accepted at UC Berkeley, oh wait illegal immigrant

[bechyni]

Pretty sure the founding fathers weren't illegal immigrants.

Hey the Native Americans had laws written down for immigration just people couldn't read that shit.

[wagon]

Should apply for citizenship then ask for the loan. Kinda makes sense that someone who isn't "rightfully" an American can apply for a loan. Seriously so much hate for illegal immigrants is pretty dumb since that's what the country was founded by.

http://imgur.com/NSc51.jpg

You can't just apply for citizenship, it doesn't work that way. Even though there's an application that address such cases, she will still have to wait years. I wouldn't bet the farm that she gets it before she graduates.

[Headspace]

Pretty sure the founding fathers weren't illegal immigrants.

Chief Running Water disagrees.

[bechyni]

http://imgur.com/NSc51.jpg

You can't just apply for citizenship, it doesn't work that way. Even though there's an application that address such cases, she will still have to wait years. I wouldn't bet the farm that she gets it before she graduates.

Should of done it before she came here?

[Weiing]

Should of done it before she came here?

Yeah. She should have known at the age of 8 to have done it beforehand.

[bechyni]

Yeah. She should have known at the age of 8 to have done it beforehand.

Yeah she came here by herself. Damn kid is smart no wonder she has a 4.09 GPA.

[Rhinox]

But your "solution" is to put the cart before the horse.

Until there is a reasonable, reliable path for illegal immigrants to become legal, we shouldn't be throwing money and resources at them.

It's not just that she broke one law, it's that she will either break more laws (i.e. get employed) or be unproductive and unable to pay back her loans since she's still illegal.

We keep doing this piecemeal shit to slow the blood loss from our bleeding hearts (like letting her get a K-12 education at no cost to her family) without addressing the rampant fucking lawlessness that put her here in the first place.

More piecemeal aid for illegals like allowing them to get federal loans for school isn't the answer.

You're assuming she wouldn't make a reasonable attempt to get permanent resident status when shes in school. Especially now that she turning 18

The same rhetoric I'm hearing in this thread is similar to what people say when it comes to the Welfare. About all the welfare queens driving Cadillacs picking up their welfare checks.

This hatred for helping people less fortunate then ourselves and rationalizing it by citing a law that is about as serious as loitering is pretty fucking ridiculous.

I agree there has to be some serious Immigration reform but at the pace Washington moves its unlikely to happen this year. And when the bill does pass its probably going to be incremental like the HCB for the sake of political expediency. Washington is going to milk this for all they can. The Republicans for the bigoted white people afraid the of the 'mexican invasion' and the Democratic party pandering to hispanics hoping to tap into the largest growing base in the country.

[Weiing]

Yeah she came here by herself. Damn kid is smart no wonder she has a 4.09 GPA.

It's what you sort of implied.

[bechyni]

It's what you sort of implied.

No

[Zeb]

What if she took the ROTC thing a step further and signed up for the military. Serve her time, become legal through the INA act, then she'll also have access to vet funding/scholarships.

[Stee]

I don't understand, she's not a citizen and she is here illegally but she expects to have the same benefits as a citizen?

Plus a 4.09 GPA is not that impressive, so she took some AP classes in high school big whoop.

[archibaldcrane]

You're assuming she wouldn't make a reasonable attempt to get permanent resident status when shes in school.

I'm assuming that she will not be able to get permanent resident status while she's in school. She doesn't have legal direct relatives here, she's not rich, she's not an athlete. Her options (aside from marriage) are very, very limited.

And what is this "reasonable attempt" shit? Who cares if she makes a reasonable attempt if it doesn't succeed - an unsuccessful "reasonable attempt" means nothing in terms of her ability to be legally employed. It's not like permanent resident status is available to anyone in her situation with a mere "reasonable attempt" at it. You're significantly downplaying how difficult it is to gain legal status in her situation.

[Rhinox]

I'm assuming that she will not be able to get permanent resident status while she's in school. She doesn't have legal direct relatives here, she's not rich, she's not an athlete. Her options (aside from marriage) are very, very limited.

Yet, she still has an option(s).

How about we not throw away the baby with the bath water.

[archibaldcrane]

Yet, she still has an option(s).

How about we not throw away the baby with the bath water.

How about the baby exercises her options, and then applies for student loans?

[Rhinox]

And what is this "reasonable attempt" shit? Who cares if she makes a reasonable attempt if it doesn't succeed - an unsuccessful "reasonable attempt" means nothing in terms of her ability to be legally employed. It's not like permanent resident status is available to anyone in her situation with a mere "reasonable attempt" at it. You're significantly downplaying how difficult it is to gain legal status in her situation.

Reasonable attempt as its not guaranteed.

But you're right lets not give her the chance to succeed. lets keep her in the shadows with the rest of them (out of sight/out of mind).

I mean after all its not like its a federal loan we are talking about.

[Rhinox]

How about the baby exercises her options, and then applies for student loans?

What difference would it make? Would that make you feel good? Making her suffer over something she had no control over? Punishing the fact that she was born in a poor Mexican family instead of a poor Mexican-american family?

I'm with you 100% though. Just so long as it makes you feel good.

[archibaldcrane]

I mean after all its not like its a federal loan we are talking about.

That's exactly the point. It's a loan. She's not a legal resident right now, and her chances of becoming one in the current environment are not favorable at all. Meaning her chances of paying a $130,000 loan off are not favorable. She's a very bad credit risk, because a college degree is meaningless for her without legal status.

Should banks just throw all that out the window when it comes to risk assessment?

This isn't about making me feel good. Give her a path to citizenship and I'd be all for her getting loans - but until then, no. It doesn't make sense to give college loans to people who can't engage in legal work to pay them back. I don't know how that makes sense to you.

What difference would it make?

Clearly you don't understand why it matters whether someone is a legal resident when it comes to the chance they have of paying back a loan.

Get your head out of your ass.

[Khamsin]

Wrong.

We must Punish her as much as we can. If we can't deport her lets brand her for life so she can't even marry to be here legally.


Border jumpers must continue to be the one kind of criminals that someone can't atone for. Raping little girls, Murdering someone and Kidnapping rightfully allows you to get back into society but Border jumpers? Fuck them.

So you'd be okay with her being thrown in prison and serving her time, then being allowed to apply for citizenship? I think most people would rather be back in their own country and free, than in a prison cell in America.

Illegal immigrants have it easier than most criminals, because rather than serving jail time, they just get sent back to their old country where they can then apply for citizenship (or at least, a student visa) the right way.

Serious question here... Seattle, and parts of western Washington in general, is a very multicultural place. There's something for just about anyone from any country to do here, and you can find publications in just about any language. I know a ton of people who are here on visas, or have green cards, or are naturalized citizens but grew up and lived in many other countries. I've known Russians, Swedes, Germans, Dutch, Thai, Japanese, Australians, etc. all here legally. Why is it that they all seem to have no problems doing things the right way, but certain other countries (such as Mexico) have a really difficult time with paperwork and proper immigration procedures? I've never known a Mexican here on a student or work visa, for example. But I've known several europeans and asians who've done it.

In the case of the Thai person, she came over on a student visa but wants to stay. She has no money, no family here, makes minimum wage, has a limited understanding of English, and the only way she can afford to do the paperwork is because she found a lawyer that speaks Thai and is helping her with it for free. It's been a struggle for her, but she's getting by and I can't imagine it being any worse for anyone else.

[archibaldcrane]

I love how not giving loans to Mexicans who probably can't pay them back even after giving them free K-12 education is "punishing them".

[Rhinox]

So you'd be okay with her being thrown in prison and serving her time, then being allowed to apply for citizenship? I think most people would rather be back in their own country and free, than in a prison cell in America.

Illegal immigrants have it easier than most criminals, because rather than serving jail time, they just get sent back to their old country where they can then apply for citizenship (or at least, a student visa) the right way.

Serious question here... Seattle, and parts of western Washington in general, is a very multicultural place. There's something for just about anyone from any country to do here, and you can find publications in just about any language. I know a ton of people who are here on visas, or have green cards, or are naturalized citizens but grew up and lived in many other countries. I've known Russians, Swedes, Germans, Dutch, Thai, Japanese, Australians, etc. all here legally. Why is it that they all seem to have no problems doing things the right way, but certain other countries (such as Mexico) have a really difficult time with paperwork and proper immigration procedures? I've never known a Mexican here on a student or work visa, for example. But I've known several europeans and asians who've done it.

In the case of the Thai person, she came over on a student visa but wants to stay. She has no money, no family here, makes minimum wage, has a limited understanding of English, and the only way she can afford to do the paperwork is because she found a lawyer that speaks Thai and is helping her with it for free. It's been a struggle for her, but she's getting by and I can't imagine it being any worse for anyone else.

Again you're wrong. You don't serve time in jail because you jumped the border you get processed and sent back. Want to know why? Because its a class B misdemeanor.


Do you know what else is a class B misdemeanor? Loitering in a park after hours.

Thats right Ladies and gentlemen. Tax payers in this country are denied student loans because of an offense similar to loitering.


Bravo