Inception (Ending discussion now open, Enter at own risk of spoilers.)(MC: 74, RT: 86%)

[SephYuyX]

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Also Cobb not escaping from the van would mean he drowned (died) in that state, which would of put him into limbo again...?

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cobbs and seito were in the van as it was going under yes, however a person can be underwater for a good minute on average, and remember that in that van layer, 3 seconds was like.. 60 minutes on the snow layer, and another layer down to where cobbs currently was + maybe another down to find seito, that one minute in water would have been a long time to look for him

But yeah, really awesome movie.

[PeaceNLove]

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It was a trap built in by thier architect, was his dream, and he knew it was there, meaning he could manipulate the environment to trigger it.

I'm pretty sure it would certainly require a good deal of training to actively control/create in a dream sequence, especialy in someone elses dream, as people really dont have control of thier subconcious mind. Thats whay they had to recruit a team of specialists, particularly someone exceptionally creative/imaginative to build worlds (architect) and someone who could replicate perfect copies/imitations of objects/people (Forger)

The final shot as credits roll was most definitely done to make the audience think, discuss, and come to thier own conclusions or opinions, and it worked quite well. I'm going to watch it again for sure lol.

Ah, ok. I guess that makes sense, but the fact that Ariadne was in shared dream for her first or second time and already willingly manipulating the environment leads me to believe it's quite easy to actively control/alter a dream state. But I guess they needed the Forger to perfectly recreate objects from memory, and that's a different skill set entirely.

[Krye]

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Is there anything in the movie that portrays the dream world in a negative light? Seems like it would be pretty cool to live a full perfect life and then find out you were just dreaming for like 3 seconds in the real world, then you can go back in and do it all over again.

[Saga]

Here's the counter to the theory I posted above. Completely plausible.

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He was never shown being kicked from when he was saving Saito. It just showed him waking up on the plane. Now, the meds could have wore off, as they were scheduled to wear off by the time the plane landed, and the plane was landing when they woke. However, Saito's brain should have been fried. Now, since Cobbs was actually able to convince Saito that it was all a dream when he went to save him, that could have saved his brain. As they entered the house and Cobbs seen his kids, they were wearing the same clothes they've worn throughout Cobb's. Sitting in the same position...

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Saito's brain shouldn't have necessarily been fried -- Cobb lived in limbo with his wife until they grew old together, and he woke up fine. His wife didn't (because of the idea he planted into her head).

[Headspace]

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The whole thing was Guy Pierce's dream

[Katlan]

Just got back from watching it and I have to agree, amazing movie from start to finish.

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My take on the ending was that it wasn't a dream, in every dream sequence they showed the top spinning perfectly and never waivering. In the final scene it didnt spin perfectly... And also for the fact that it showed his kid's face.

I don't fully get how Cobbs and Saito got out since it showed everyone getting kicked from each dream layer, but maybe it's different when you go into limbo since that's the final level where your supposed to be stuck in and rot.

One thing I don't understand is why (from the building layer - layer 2) he had to blow up the elevator to kill them and get them into the 1st layer. Wouldn't the car of hitting the water returned gravity to the 2nd layer and thus had the elevator fall and kill them? I think the way they did it was way cooler, but not sure I follow while it had to be done that way

[Headspace]

Don't know if it's been mentioned

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The stamp on Cobb's passport was the same as the drawing he drew for Ellen Page to explain what they do. The two arrows with the line bisecting them.

edit, also Dileep Rao's take on the ending:

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Dileep Rao offered further insight, advising viewers to pay attention to the scene in an unusual way. "You know what, I'll just say this: Use your ears not your eyes."

I didn't pay attention to music playing at the end, but is it possible that you hear the kick music playing before the credits? I don't really remember

[Tyche]

Just got back from watching it and I have to agree, amazing movie from start to finish.

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My take on the ending was that it wasn't a dream, in every dream sequence they showed the top spinning perfectly and never waivering. In the final scene it didnt spin perfectly... And also for the fact that it showed his kid's face.

I don't fully get how Cobbs and Saito got out since it showed everyone getting kicked from each dream layer, but maybe it's different when you go into limbo since that's the final level where your supposed to be stuck in and rot.

One thing I don't understand is why (from the building layer - layer 2) he had to blow up the elevator to kill them and get them into the 1st layer. Wouldn't the car of hitting the water returned gravity to the 2nd layer and thus had the elevator fall and kill them? I think the way they did it was way cooler, but not sure I follow while it had to be done that way

The reason for the elevator:

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He was trying to make the sensation of falling, however, there was no gravity. So he tied them together and rocketed the elevator to give the sensation of falling, and thus, kicking them...

[Cloud]

Don't know if it's been mentioned

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The stamp on Cobb's passport was the same as the drawing he drew for Ellen Page to explain what they do. The two arrows with the line bisecting them.

edit, also Dileep Rao's take on the ending:

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Dileep Rao offered further insight, advising viewers to pay attention to the scene in an unusual way. "You know what, I'll just say this: Use your ears not your eyes."

I didn't pay attention to music playing at the end, but is it possible that you hear the kick music playing before the credits? I don't really remember

Best movie of the year! Don't know how anything coming out is going to top this in-terms of story, action, and performance.

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Yeah... It was weird because at the end scene people started to stare at Cobb when he was getting out of the airport. Not to mention that the kids were wearing the same clothing as Cobb's dreams.

[Katlan]

The reason for the elevator:

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He was trying to make the sensation of falling, however, there was no gravity. So he tied them together and rocketed the elevator to give the sensation of falling, and thus, kicking them...

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oh yeah, didnt piece it together that they had to be kicked from the 3rd layer, durr

[Warudo Ecksu]

I want to see this movie again. I bet I would notice more random things that I didn't pick up on before

[Titanss]

I have to put this movie on my top 10, fucking great

[Weiing]

I"ve realized how annoying this thread must be... Replying to quoted spoilers in spoilers. However, it's really fascinating to read what everyone has to say. But damn spoiler tags.

@Headspace

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Did notice something seemed weird with the stamp, but didn't really get a good glimpse at it. Good eye. Also, interesting take on the music thing...

Ohmahgod I want to watch this again > _>

[wagon]

"Dileep Rao offered further insight, advising viewers to pay attention to the scene in an unusual way. "You know what, I'll just say this: Use your ears not your eyes."

Any take on this?

[ronin sparthos]

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Is there anything in the movie that portrays the dream world in a negative light? Seems like it would be pretty cool to live a full perfect life and then find out you were just dreaming for like 3 seconds in the real world, then you can go back in and do it all over again.

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I think the movie tries to show that while the dream world is amazing and full of unlimited possibility that your obligations in the "real" world shouldn't be thrown away so quickly.

Cobb lived out a lifetime in his dreamworld but in the end desired something in reality more than anything his dreamworld could provide (his kids).

[Katlan]

"Dileep Rao offered further insight, advising viewers to pay attention to the scene in an unusual way. "You know what, I'll just say this: Use your ears not your eyes."

Any take on this?

U mean the last 60 seconds or w/e? Interesting, never noticed any peculiar noise, that's a when u watch it again moment

[TacoTaru]

I was practically holding my breath waiting for the credits to roll and the only thing I noticed was

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Almost immediately as the credits roll you hear what I can only describe as what would happen if the top hit a small crack in the table, then as it's recovering the side of the top smacks the table, then stumbles but keeps going. My impression was that this signified the top was slowing down and about to drop, but as someone mentioned the kick noise I for the life of me can't recall what it sounds like so that may be it.

[grantlogan]

Superb movie. And the soundtrack! Great! Fuck Danny Elfman.

[thestalkmore]

Saw it, fucking loved it. A few questions:

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-My understanding, as Cobbes explained it, was that the only reason limbo existed is because of the heavy sedation they were under. So: How did he and his wife get stuck there earlier? It was kind of brushed over by him saying "I kept wanting to go deeper and deeper." Were they NOT in limbo and just on a really deep level?
-Similarly, he said that the only way to get INTO limbo was to die on while under this heavy sedation. So when Fisher dies on the 3rd level, why is it that they can follow him into limbo by using the machine?
-How does he find Seido? Is his hunt in limbo just cut out from the narrative?

[Oravis]

Saw it, fucking loved it. A few questions:

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-My understanding, as Cobbes explained it, was that the only reason limbo existed is because of the heavy sedation they were under. So: How did he and his wife get stuck there earlier? It was kind of brushed over by him saying "I kept wanting to go deeper and deeper." Were they NOT in limbo and just on a really deep level?
-Similarly, he said that the only way to get INTO limbo was to die on while under this heavy sedation. So when Fisher dies on the 3rd level, why is it that they can follow him into limbo by using the machine?
-How does he find Seido? Is his hunt in limbo just cut out from the narrative?

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After thinking about it and seeing the opinion of others I am lead to believe that Cobb was in limbo throughout the entire movie from start to finish. When he and his wife killed themselves with the train that entered them into limbo where he felt everything was real the way Seido supposedly did. Which is why they wouldn't kill themselves to get out of limbo. His wife was actually sane and realized it which is why she eventually jumped off the ledge which led her to escape limbo while cobb stayed in it forever.

You would think when cobb went in to get Seido that they would kill each other to get out of Seido's limbo but it just skips ahead... like a dream Cobb is having.

When everyone says Cobb was in limbo and got out they never explain when or how. The whole 50 year dream with his wife wasn't limbo because that was them just going as deep into the dream as possible. Obviously being that deep and killing themselves by the train wouldn't wake them up but put them in limbo.

Think I can explain this better when I'm more awake lol Anyway that is how I think the movie went. He never used a totem of his own. Was always his wife's. Which in turn kinda makes it useless according to the others.