What's Better?

[Thorny]

In the off-chance it's a serious question : the one that doesn't rely on a D Skill. Srsly, Sword THF means -57/58 Acc -64 Atk at 75.

ridill will win if accuracy is capped with it, not exactly a common situation but first floor salvage, city dynamis(possibly glacier too at 80), and farming come to mind(and this is assuming same procrate, which is a bit of a stretch unless confirmed since the OA2 weapons were ~40% to other OA2's ~50%).

[Angelcaido]

Back to the Perle set for DRG question (Noodles number crunching - basically even?).

Currently tping in:
thal/pole/ /tiphia
w.turban/love/fowling/brutal
aurum/dusk/blood/rajas
cuch/swift/homam/homam

I'm looking to move to the perle set as my base str and att are rather... low.

I know haste is king however I'm finding it hard to ignore the other stat gains I'd get for the loss of 1% haste and 7 stp. As a side note, I'm working on the stp PA and I do a lot of solo /blu. Besides obvious upgrades (tore/blitz/black talth/thew),

What's better for me currently?:
1% haste & 7 stp

or

STR +14, DEX +6, Attack +10, Accuracy +9, "Critical hit rate" +2%, & VIT +18, AGI +8



Also with the 2 new belts (whenever they're found)

haste+2% and a fuckton of resist down

vs.

stp+5

for my current set up?

[Scritch]

New best weapon for PUP?

Neglecting the two VNM paths (OAT and damage), what would be the best thing to work for?

DMG +22 Delay+61 STR+6 Attack+16
DMG +23 Delay+61 Weakens Defense+15
DMG +0 Delay+140 Occasionally Attacks 2-3 time

Or any other option I've missed? I'm going out on a limb and thinking the weakens defense option?

I neglect to mention the Accuracy+ ones since fuck soulflayers, gayest possible path ever. But if it really is the best possible option by leaps and bounds I'll give it a shot...

[Serra]

Since there have been so many Drg questions lately, figure I'd follow suit:

At 19% haste (or 20%, I forget which actually..), is another 2% going to be worth sacrificing the stats of a body slot? I ask cause I got a Wyrm Mail -1 yesterday, and since a haste body is so rare, jumped on upgrading it.

For reference, the only relevant stat is the haste+2%, other stats are Hp, Parrying, and 'adds support job abilities to wyverns'

[Nightfyre]

Situational. Do you have to make other trades to maintain your x-hit?

[Khajit]

You also have to consider that there's now a haste body with the same about of haste that multiple jobs can wear with some stats to boot i think. Because of that you probably would want to just get the new haste body instead. One moment while i check the new items list to link it.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=13791
No bonus stats but even so you can wear it for your other jobs for invo+whatever

[Dathus]

If you can mantain your 6-hit with the Wyrm body, go get it upgraded. If it messes with your 6-hit, then find ways around it. White Tath, Rose Strap, Echophoria Ring, etc.

[noodles355]

Given the lance discussion over the last page or so, where does the +8STP Stingray fit in?
It would enable a 6-hit with just the lance and rajas ring.
Final stats are D98, STP +8, 492 delay for reference.

Also, doesn't allow the use of sword strap without askar/aurum body, but I think the point is to not require an STP body.

Not a big deal. Sword strap for drg is like less than a 0.1% increase in total damage over Pole Grip.

Sword Grip's boost is so small over Pole Grip that when you factor in the stats you lose by swapping in STP gear elsewhere, it loses most of the time.

I think it's a good lance, concidering it's got pretty easy trials, I think it's a good placeholder untill you finish something harder like OAT or empy or whatever, when I hit 80 I'll definitely try to blast it out as my main lance whilst I finish up Brademante.

For Wyrm Mail +1, as said it depends i you can maintain your 6hit elsewhere (Luckilly with this Lance, you can). 19>21% Haste (w/ 35 magic + hasso) is a 5.9% increase. Next question is are you acc capped befor the body slot?
If no, Homam and Perle Hauberk win below about 91% Acc.
It should beat Ares and Aurum either way I think (Using 600Att 310Def 7Lvl Diff and 120 Base Damage as example numbers)

[Nightfyre]

If you can mantain your 6-hit with the Wyrm body, go get it upgraded. If it messes with your 6-hit, then find ways around it. White Tath, Rose Strap, Echophoria Ring, etc.

This, with the caveat that once Rose comes in to play you're going to need outside support (haste + marches, also need Hasso) to make it superior to Askar + Pole (though this does give you freedom to switch to an acc body without losing TP). If Goading Belt is the best haste belt you reasonably expect to obtain it's a moot point once we find that.

[Cream Soda]

For magians

OAT gax vs DMG gax?

[PEIPld]

Sumeru (97 dmg 488 delay STP+6) vs Bonesplitter (102 dmg 504 delay)
Store TP gives them both about the same TP/hit.
I'm thinking bonesplitter, but unsure...

Random Q, people have been comparing Homam + Wala vs Full perle... and saying full perle wins if acc not capped, wouldn't it make more sense to use Homam Set + Perle legs? (for the 10acc) Seems like the best combination if you have a decent body.

[Byrthnoth]

Sumeru (97 dmg 488 delay STP+6) vs Bonesplitter (102 dmg 504 delay)
Store TP gives them both about the same TP/hit.
I'm thinking bonesplitter, but unsure...

Random Q, people have been comparing Homam + Wala vs Full perle... and saying full perle wins if acc not capped, wouldn't it make more sense to use Homam Set + Perle legs? (for the 10acc) Seems like the best combination if you have a decent body.

Those two options are very similar, and the first one is much easier to get.

For magians

OAT gax vs DMG gax?

DMG Gaxe (fully upgraded, not Bonesplitter) is very impressive right now. OAT GAxe still may be worse than Fortitude for /SAM (though I can't see its stats because I'm offline and wiki doesn't have them.) For /NIN, the OAT is nice because its higher delay lets you 6-hit with the right setup.


Edit:
Really, I advocate Vermail Bhuj. D104, 504 delay, STR+8, Additional effect: Amnesia
It's very alliance-friendly and it has the best ratio of awesomeness to ease of acquisition (6-mannable). We don't know which path will be optimal/most realistic for WAR right now as far as Magian goes. It's safest to just get Vermeil Bhuj.

[Diddy Kong]

sorry wrong thread*

[Xno Kappa]

Nightfall vs. Algol vs. Naglering?

[Sholin]

Are any of the magian katanas worth getting? Looking at the 2-3 attack one just for funsies.

[Byrthnoth]

Are any of the magian katanas worth getting? Looking at the 2-3 attack one just for funsies.

Almost any completed level 80 Katana Trial is better than Senju.

The Dex/Acc one (D40, 6 Dex, 10-12 Acc, 201 delay) pushes Perdu under the bus (and Senju for that matter). The Max damage katana is awesome for main hand, but good luck getting it. I'm not sure what its stats are, but if it has decent stats the STP Katana might be worthwhile.

[Max™]

Dmg 43 Dly 216 STP +8 for the STP trial
Hochomasamune isn't found that I know of, but Dmg 45 Dly 222 Dex +10 Enhances Fast Cast is pretty fucking sexy (pretty gold model too!)
the high Dmg Tobi is Dmg 47 Dly 227
I'm not sure if the multi-hit is the Dmg 40 Dly 201 or Dmg 23 Dly 242, but it would definitely be fun as hell for offhand/superswingspeed builds.

[Byrthnoth]

Well, STP Katana looks like a good main hand until people can get Hochomasamune, which looks (for lack of a better term) baller as crap.

Vermail Bhuj (gold GAxe) comes from Abyssea, so my assumption is that the other weapons do too.

[Sholin]

I'll have to check out the moogle later to see what the sTP katana entails, it's not listed on otherwiki yet.

[Max™]

I'll have to check out the moogle later to see what the sTP katana entails, it's not listed on otherwiki yet.

Katana
Uzura - NIN
[Trial 1549] Blade: To x100
[Trial 1551] Blade: Chi x200
[Trial 1552] Blade: Ten x300 vs. Lizards
[Trial 1553] or [Trial 1554]

[Trial 1553] Blade: Ku x500 vs. Plantoids
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4138/...c3c67980_o.png

[Trial 1554] any Katana WS x800 vs. Vermin
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4140/...66d88739_o.png

Posted a couple pages back in the Magian Weapons thread.