What's Better?

[Rellikard]

For Campaign as PLD while tanking: Gigant Mantle or Boxer's Mantle?

[Claim]

For Campaign as PLD while tanking: Gigant Mantle or Boxer's Mantle?

boxer's

[Deader2818]

Hyogugusarinotachi
DMG: 89, Delay 437
STR+6 Attack+20


Or Hagun?

[Jak]

For meleeing v/s DC-T mobs on Rdm/Nin..

Enhancing Sword + Joyeuse

or

Machaera with Dmg: 48 sTP+9 + Joyeuse

I'm really just wondering if the 8 base damage and sTP+9 more than Enhancing sword is going to out-weigh the En-spell+5/Att/Acc from E.Sword.

[Castellano]

for penta:

okote 20 att
vs
perle hands
4str 2dex 10 attack

[requim]

Machaera looks incredibly easy to get so you could sell your esword. The 8 added damage and STP should just shift more of your damage to physical/WS and you should have better total damage. I'm also assuming if you've invested this much in your RDM's melee that the accuracy difference should be negligible since you're likely fighting weaker mobs or using the appropriate food.

Jak, you might also want to look into the WS/STP daggers for RDM, 37/186. Depending on what your STP comes out to, you might benefit more from the evisceration dagger since you would probably get better numbers from it than Death Blossom as well as the lower delay to couple with enspell damage.

For Penta I would learn toward Perle hands since the you're getting 1 fstr and ~1 wsc as well as 1.5 acc for only 7 atk. Depending on your other gear you might need the attack more (were you to be using sushi) or you could benefit more from the base damage increase (pizza/meat) .

[Deader2818]

RDM can't use trials dagger.

[Jak]

I should have added the Enhancing Sword was a gift last week from three friends so I will not sell it. Also my death blossoms average 800~ on DC/EM with 8 sword merits and I only have 4 dagger merits.. so not sure if evisceration would be better on any dagger (not that I can equip the magian ones, but yah).

[StevenW]

About to work on the last Keitonotachi trial. I need some advice. Which is better?

91 DMG, 464 delay, store TP+5
89 DMG, 464 delay, Tachi: Kasha DMG+10%

I think the Tachi: Kasha one with sword strap (450.5 delay) and 6-hit could be easily better than Hagun if I spammed kasha.... but in order to 5-hit it I need Carbonara which is bad for anything I need acc on.

The Store TP one can be used for 5-hit without Carbonara and I think it might be better simply for that.

Please help!

[Rehn]

At 317 h2h skill, should I ws in sea gorget still or in faith?

[Motenten]

For Asuran, it's probably a wash. For other weaponskills, gorget is still better.

[Ocara]

About to work on the last Keitonotachi trial. I need some advice. Which is better?

91 DMG, 464 delay, store TP+5
89 DMG, 464 delay, Tachi: Kasha DMG+10%

I think the Tachi: Kasha one with sword strap (450.5 delay) and 6-hit could be easily better than Hagun if I spammed kasha.... but in order to 5-hit it I need Carbonara which is bad for anything I need acc on.

The Store TP one can be used for 5-hit without Carbonara and I think it might be better simply for that.

Please help!

Get the stp one, use sword strap. Unless you have usu body the stp on the weapon will allow you to use hauby/dusk/fuma/byakkos (freeing up one of those slots for haste/stats) and only need rajas/brutal for 6 hit, as well as opening up all your gearslots for weaponskill. Kasha is pretty inferior to gekko to be using on things you'd be using gkatana on in the first place, not to mention giving up grip to keep delay the same. 5 hit with the 464 gkatanas isn't really feasible without giving up a lot of other important slots.

[Neosutra]

Hyogugusarinotachi
DMG: 89, Delay 437
STR+6 Attack+20


Or Hagun?

The 89 damage, 450 Great Katana (with no str or att) already tied/beat hagun depending on what the situation was, this new Great Katana pretty easily beats Hagun with the lower delay and added str/attack. Note however Hagun will still have a bit higher WS damage when the TP modifier is active (i.e. when not using seke, not at 300 tp, etc).

Assuming you have enough stp to maintain your 6 hit with the 437 delay without sacrificing haste.

[StevenW]

Get the stp one, use sword strap. Unless you have usu body the stp on the weapon will allow you to use hauby/dusk/fuma/byakkos (freeing up one of those slots for haste/stats) and only need rajas/brutal for 6 hit, as well as opening up all your gearslots for weaponskill. Kasha is pretty inferior to gekko to be using on things you'd be using gkatana on in the first place, not to mention giving up grip to keep delay the same. 5 hit with the 464 gkatanas isn't really feasible without giving up a lot of other important slots.

My 450 delay GK build (either with or without askar korazin) both use full haste setup.

Anyways I think the stp/sword strap one might be my best solution anyways, with double march I'm almost sure the 6-hit is better considering the amount of haste/acc I have to drop for 5-hit to work. The only reason my polearm 5-hit works is cause I simply have to use hachi hands with haste everywhere else.

Maybe when I get usu feet, AF+1 legs for WS, and goading belt I'll try again for 5-hit.

[Ocara]

My 450 delay GK build (either with or without askar korazin) both use full haste setup.

Anyways I think the stp/sword strap one might be my best solution anyways, with double march I'm almost sure the 6-hit is better considering the amount of haste/acc I have to drop for 5-hit to work. The only reason my polearm 5-hit works is cause I simply have to use hachi hands with haste everywhere else.

Maybe when I get usu feet, AF+1 legs for WS, and goading belt I'll try again for 5-hit.

Even with usu feet, usu body, goading belt, white tathlum, and rose strap you'd need body slot for stp on tp to get a 5 hit with 464 delay, plus that much stp on ws meaning you're sacrificing str slots. It doesn't seem like that'd be a reasonable sacrifice for a 5 hit with full haste (not really full haste because you're using usu feet). It might be more reasonable later if sam gets a new tier of store tp with further levels or even more stp gear comes out, which is a possibility.

[Deader2818]

The 89 damage, 450 Great Katana (with no str or att) already tied/beat hagun depending on what the situation was, this new Great Katana pretty easily beats Hagun with the lower delay and added str/attack. Note however Hagun will still have a bit higher WS damage when the TP modifier is active (i.e. when not using seke, not at 300 tp, etc).

Assuming you have enough stp to maintain your 6 hit with the 437 delay without sacrificing haste.

I have usu and such so not a prob keeping my hit builds. Now that my SAM is 80 was looking to see which GKT would be best to get. Id assume the high dmg one but that will take some time so want to work on another one for the mean time.

[Cream Soda]

Sucks that the high base dmg ones are a bitch

[chazzyphizzle]

91dmg 5stp, 464 delay, easy 5 hit with usu.


edit: and easy to get

[Deader2818]

I dunno, to 5 hit it id need to TP in Usu body/feet/rajas/rose strap/white tahtlum and WS in all that as well.

[Neosutra]

5 hits are sexy as hell, but you're giving up:

2% DA from grip (or 3% delay to make it 450 delay with standard grip) during WS and TP.
5 Str during WS from feet.
2 str 10 attack during WS/TP in ammo slot.

And you're using 464 delay instead of 450 or 434 (450 with 3% sword strap).

So you're trading DoT and taking a slight loss in WS damage for a good boost in % of WSs.

Someone that knows a bit more about delay/damage formulas could probably math it out to see which is better.

I'm currently using the 91 base damage with 450 delay (using usu body/feet/rajas/brutal + sword strap), so would be nice to know if a 5 hit using the above setup would be better.