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    Azagarth: Basically those two gear options come out nearly identically (assuming ~55% base haste and 500 attack). Also, you're not getting 1.5% hit rate, you're getting 1.5 acc, which will be .5% or 1% hit rate (1% for you since you said it rounded up).

    It would swing more in favor of aurore/enkidu as mob defense drops, but even then it's unlikely to reach even a 1% total difference unless you're capping on some stat. Though I'm also assuming you're not going from 25% to 25%+ capped haste (ie: 252/1024 to 256/1024); if that's the case, then no, it's generally not going to be worth bothering with.

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    COR/RNG vs. COR/SAM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zagen View Post
    COR/RNG vs. COR/SAM?
    COR/WAR

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    Heca wont drop...
    Best alternate for Guillotine/SS in mean time?
    Perle/Black/Aurum available.

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    For NIN, what would be the best weapon combo for exp (assuming I can tweak gear/food around to maintain good acc/atk levels) out of:

    Enchu (r/ex/aug):
    DMG: 23+23 Delay: 242 Double Attack+7

    Sekka (ex/aug):
    DMG: 40 Delay: 201 STR+6 Attack+16
    DMG: 40 Delay: 201 DEX+6 Accuracy+12

    (is either Uzura worth getting?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnat View Post
    Heca wont drop...
    Best alternate for Guillotine/SS in mean time?
    Perle/Black/Aurum available.
    which slot

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnat View Post
    Heca wont drop...
    Best alternate for Guillotine/SS in mean time?
    Perle/Black/Aurum available.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chen View Post
    which slot
    Sorry, feet

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    i remember reading that black feet was meant to be best, not sure how they compared to perle. i do think they're better than heca though for what it's worth

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnat View Post
    Heca feet wont drop...
    Best alternate for Guillotine/SS in mean time?
    Perle/Black/Aurum available.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chen View Post
    i remember reading that black feet was meant to be best, not sure how they compared to perle. i do think they're better than heca though for what it's worth
    For comparison's sake:
    Heca Str+6 Dex+3
    Perle Str+5 Dex+3
    Aurum Dex+3 Atk+5 Atk+5
    Black Str+3 Atk+8

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnat View Post
    For comparison's sake:
    Heca Str+6 Dex+3
    Perle Str+5 Dex+3
    Aurum Dex+3 Atk+5 Atk+5
    Black Str+3 Atk+8
    Think af+1 deserves a mention in that list as it can be one of the more powerul slot for feet for guillotine. It will come down to what +5mnd will give you, 1-2 base damage(chances are its atleast 1).

    The extra str from heca might give you 1 fstr and 1 base damage(mod) or nothing at all.


    *note* if you are not coming close to capping acc(which isnt hard for a drk) Aurum boots should do well for you. Otherwise rework your gear options and see what pieces give you the better bang per slot for your overall setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kishar View Post
    For NIN, what would be the best weapon combo for exp (assuming I can tweak gear/food around to maintain good acc/atk levels) out of:

    Enchu (r/ex/aug):
    DMG: 23+23 Delay: 242 Double Attack+7

    Sekka (ex/aug):
    DMG: 40 Delay: 201 STR+6 Attack+16
    DMG: 40 Delay: 201 DEX+6 Accuracy+12

    (is either Uzura worth getting?)
    Enchu + OA2-3 or high base damage OA2.

    However whether you're asking if Enchu/Str is better/worse than Enchu/Dex combination, that will depend entirely on the rest of your gear, mob you are fighting, and food you are using.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neosutra View Post
    Enchu + OA2-3 or high base damage OA2.

    However whether you're asking if Enchu/Str is better/worse than Enchu/Dex combination, that will depend entirely on the rest of your gear, mob you are fighting, and food you are using.
    High dmg OAT is pretty much out as I can't count on help with killing Ruthven et al and I don't think many people are outright selling the VNM items on Ifrit.

    Can you have two enchus (of different types)? I didn't realise with the r/ex. If you can I'll go DA/OA2~3. I'd hoped I could avoid killing 450 wamouras... oh well s:

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    Where does Rune Chopper rank in the pantheon of Great Axes now? Compared to the High Damage OAT, High Damage Magians, and Vermeil Bhuj?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kishar View Post
    High dmg OAT is pretty much out as I can't count on help with killing Ruthven et al and I don't think many people are outright selling the VNM items on Ifrit.

    Can you have two enchus (of different types)? I didn't realise with the r/ex. If you can I'll go DA/OA2~3. I'd hoped I could avoid killing 450 wamouras... oh well s:
    No, you can't.

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    D88, Acc+5.... D104, STR+8

    20% Haste on WAR is standard now (Turban, Swift, Dusk hands, Aurum feet, Haidates, Blitz), 25% is theoretically possible without resorting to Unicorn feet +1. (Turban, Bullwhip, Haidates, Dusk Feet/hands +1, Blitz)

    Someone with 20% would probably trade Turban, Dusk, and Blitz for Askar x2 and an STR+5 ring (9 STR, 9 DEX), which are about the effort-neutral options. Maybe from the Acc they pick up, they could afford to go Cuchu -> Forager's or something.

    D88, 8 STR, 5 DEX, 26(5)% Haste, 15 Attack vs. D104, 8 STR, 20% Haste

    Rune Chopper still has the advantage in 5/5 Haste Samba + Hasso + Haste + 2x March + Refresh situations. Vermeil Bhuj has the advantage any time that you don't have all of those buffs up. Realistically, I haven't been in a party where I could use Rune Chopper yet. It sits on my mule looking sad.

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    This makes my Rune Chopper sad too since I'm rarely in the max haste situations, I guess it's time to get a vermeil bhuj.

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    Maybe the OAT rate increased post-update and no one noticed so that the high-damage Magian OAT great axe can actually compete with the others. At least Vermeil Bhuj exists (when more Magian trials are added, why wouldn't there be decent non-Magian alternatives added alongside?) and you can get it doing something you might actually want to do anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightfyre View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kishar View Post
    Can you have two enchus (of different types)? I didn't realise with the r/ex. If you can I'll go DA/OA2~3. I'd hoped I could avoid killing 450 wamouras... oh well s:
    No, you can't.
    That makes his suggestion of Enchu + OAT impossible then I guess I'll probably go for STR/atk in place of the OAT, unless the lvl80 def down weapons have been performing well (I know a lot of THFs got a def down dagger at 75, I assume some must have upgraded them).

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    I haven't seen anywhere that you can't do two (different) OAx paths, even if end product is the same name. They have different object identifiers so it shouldn't break the rare rule.

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    adler's ring (8acc -12att) vs nq sniper?

    assuming war, RR, uncapped acc

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