What's Better?

[urat]

http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=164787

Aurore Gaiters + Bullwhip belt (If its not nigh impossible to obtain) or dusk feet+1 + goading belt?

I can't really think of any other way to pull one more haste on that build if I used aurore + goading unless I used walahra turban instead of brisk mask, but then I'd be trading 6 acc for 1 haste, not a fair trade off I think, though walahra would be superior for soloing since brisk mask has the whole -12 eva thing.

But I prefer a full out eva build for soloing anyways over haste so I can just focus on straight up tping without having to worry about healing myself and wasting tp.

I think I might toss together my soloing build too.

[apyrrhicvictory]

Anybody do any testing on Cavaros mantle? Just picked one up, wondering if it'd be worth it for Raging Rush, would probably definitely be worth it to stack that mantle and brave grip for MS zerg wouldn't it?

I just got this last night as well.

has anyone done any testing on this?

[Soho]

I have the OA2 Bradamante Polearm for my DRG. When /SAM, I keep a 6 Hit build on my current TP set (Walahra/Aurum/3xHomam) when using a Sword Strap and Black Tathlum because of the 507 Delay.

Since we now seem to believe that Perle Salade is 3% Haste rather than the 2% indicated on the description... Is it going to be better to go to full Perle even if I have to switch to Pole Grip and White Tathlum to maintain 6 Hit?

Here's links to the two sets:
Current Mix & Match TP
Full Perle TP

The notable stats I'd gain with Perle are: 4Acc, 13Att, 2%Crit, 62Def
At the primary cost of using Pole Grip instead of Sword Strap. How does that math out?

Even if you assume I don't need the Acc... It's kinda looking like full Perle might be better for DRG/SAM now? This makes me sad in the pants. Please tell me I'm missing something.

[Nadrojj]

This got lost last page, hoping any of you dudes could shed some insight


For Ranger:

Terebellum Mantle - Ranged Attk +20 ENM-1

compared to

Amemet +1 Ranged Attk +15 Str +2

[Nameless]

First of all, sword vs pole for drg isn't that great of the difference as other melee jobs due to the fact that pole will help you out on jump and high jump, and neither of those JA is helped by lower delay.

However, since you are using an OAT polearm, pole strap is really half of what it is. So your real question is actually sword vs rose strap (ammo need not be changed).

3% delay vs 4 acc 13 att 2% crit

So it is largely depended on your accuracy. If you can make good use of that 4 acc, then rose + perle set wins. if not, then I would go with sword strap and mixed set (aurum body).

[buddha_masta]

The sets I'm considering at the moment are:

TP

Keitonotachi(5)|Rose(4)||W.Tath(2)
Turban|PCC|Brutal(1)|Bushi
Askar(5)|Dusk|Rajas(5)|Sniper+1
Cuch|Swift|Byakko's|Usu(7)

WS

Keitonotachi(5)|Rose(4)||Thew
Myo+1|Gorget|Brutal(1)|Bushi
Hachi(6)|Alky|Rajas(5)|Flame
Cuch|Warwolf|Myo+1|Hachi(5)

Should give me 20/swing during TP and 20 return from WS. Any swaps I could/should make to improve this that are within the realm of immediate possibility (no usu body, no hq hachiman, etc)?

Having tried to compare a nearly identical pair of gear sets as yours, I noticed the use of Hachimen Sune-ate for WS can be replaced with the stronger net gain of Perle Solerets, though White Tathlum must remain in WS set (Hachi Sune-ate and Thew Tathlum = 4 STR, 10 ATK; Perle Solerets and White Tathlum = 5 STR), and 1 more sTP must be added in TP phase. I, too, am an owner of a Sniper +1, so it pains me to resort to Ecphoria to TP in, but the loss is not all that great, considering we will probably use Marinara Pizza (+1) due to our loss in Body Accuracy during TP.

Just my opinion, though I'm in the same boat as yours so I'd like to see others' views.

[Bigdadddy]

My apologies if this question has already been answered but I didnt see any thing about it.

For a MNK with Black belt and Usu Feet, (and not full usu), you get 24% haste. Is it worth swapping out O.Kote for Aurore Hands? It seems like that is the correct thing to do, giving up 20 attk for 4 STR and 2% (really 1.6% because of cap).

It seems like this is the obvious thing to do but I have not seen anyone doing this or read anything about other MNKs doing this.

[Mrp]

I currently use Osode for SAM WS Gekko/Kasha

Would Perle Hauberk is a big downgrade? I could use Osode for Ranger on Another character...

I don't want to gimp my sam too much

thx

[requim]

I think the following are close to what you are refering to, requim.

It will only give you a 18.3 TP Return and the TP set is expecting at least 18.4 from WS Hit.

So have no 2%DA and STR-2 on WS.
While we can use any ring we want on TP Phase, but no Torque.

You need to TP in 29 STP on top of full merits to hit exactly 20 TP, which could be stp GK, rose, brutal, rajas, usu x2, and then another STP of your choice (e.ring, chiv chain, JSE neck, white tath, etc).

In WS you would likely be dropping usu body/feet, which means you need to get an extra 1.8 TP, which could be hachi body/feet +1 and an FoV atilla's. Assuming you were going with a solid 20 TP return.

The alternative is to TP in more STP than you need, which looks like your last alt gear set was suggesting I was suggesting. By tossing on the JSE neck that puts you 2 STP over for 4 hits, so your WS only needs to return 19.2, or WSing in 23 STP (TPing in 31 STP). In order to get that 23 STP it looks like you need to usu hachi body +1 with an attilla's earring.

The 30TP/23WS is basically just sacrificing nortunus/osode for hachi body +1 and bushi for a FoV atilla's (which can also get 2str), everything else would be your standard optimal mix (net 1-3 STR difference). If you didn't want to use hachi +1 body (I've seen several, unsure how practical they are to get) you could opt to use e.ring during TP, leaving you at a 32TP/20WS split, but that still leaves you need usu body (or hachi body or feets) for WS.

The above is using gear I personally know is attainable and doesn't sacrifice any haste. Goading belt would definitely make a 5 hit build easier, like a 33TP/16WS, but you would then need to consider reducing your haste and bla bla bla.

What's the expected WS:TP damage split with the STP GK? What is the marginal value of 1 STR for WS? I would guess it's less than 1% total damage, which means it is likely easily offset by any improvements for TP's accuracy.

While you can spam as much STR as you can into your WS it isn't necessarily worthwhile when you could just replace some of it with STP and TP in a stronger set - specifically the hachi +1 options all have a ton of STP with some str (the body being 1 less, feets being 2 less, gloves being 8 less). This is a significantly more ambiguous argument since you need to recoup 4 swing's worth of STP in your WS as opposed to the previous case where you were recouping 1 swing's worth with it split over four TP swings.

If we can marginalize how much benefit you are getting from STR you can then compare between how much accuracy is required for TP and then make a more realistic comparison since you have actual numbers as opposed to just saying this set is a strong WS, 5-hit build (cause no one cares if you end up with piss poor accuracy or use shitty food).

[requim]

I currently use Osode for SAM WS Gekko/Kasha

Would Perle Hauberk is a big downgrade? I could use Osode for Ranger on Another character...

I don't want to gimp my sam too much

thx

It's essentially WSing in Hachi body, except Hachi body would likely help your STP set so WSing in Perle would probably be silly.

You're dropping 2 STR for essentially no benefit, it's not going to kill you, but it's an unambiguous decrease in damage.

[Mrp]

For Guillotine WS SET

Chs. Sollerets +1 Or Perle Solerets?

5 STR 5 MND or 5 STR 3 DEX 2 Enmity

I don't have Hecatomb feet

[Mercilessturtle]

AF+1. JSE should be better still I believe.

[Yugl]

I have the OA2 Bradamante Polearm for my DRG. When /SAM, I keep a 6 Hit build on my current TP set (Walahra/Aurum/3xHomam) when using a Sword Strap and Black Tathlum because of the 507 Delay.

Since we now seem to believe that Perle Salade is 3% Haste rather than the 2% indicated on the description... Is it going to be better to go to full Perle even if I have to switch to Pole Grip and White Tathlum to maintain 6 Hit?

Here's links to the two sets:
Current Mix & Match TP
Full Perle TP

The notable stats I'd gain with Perle are: 4Acc, 13Att, 2%Crit, 62Def
At the primary cost of using Pole Grip instead of Sword Strap. How does that math out?

Even if you assume I don't need the Acc... It's kinda looking like full Perle might be better for DRG/SAM now? This makes me sad in the pants. Please tell me I'm missing something.

You have 432 Accuracy in that TP set up. That allows for a few more options if you're willing to use Carbonara. Namely, you can replace the White Tathlum with Thew Bomblet and the Perle set will be even better.

Edit: You can even add the Sword Strap to the perle set up. Also, if you're using Pizza instead of Carbonara, you can remove some ACC pieces like Black Tathlum for attack pieces.

[Lonoha]

Cobra Harness or Aurore Doublet for Joyeuse TPing?

[Villian]

I'm curious about new Drk AF3 belt vs Swordbelt+1 on catas, 6str/int vs 12 attack?

[Greatguardian]

Given the completely horrendous look of full Perle and the "every allatard in the world has it" stigma, can someone please point out some ridiculous flaw in my math and tell me that Turban/Haub+1/Homamx3 is still better for PLD Atonement TP? Please?

[Raen Ryong]

I'm sorry but it really isn't unless your accuracy is horribly low or you -never- hit for 0

[Greatguardian]

Oh well Guess I'll keep my old TP set as town gear at least, so I don't run around looking like robocop.

[Yugl]

Oh well Guess I'll keep my old TP set as town gear at least, so I don't run around looking like robocop.

You mean so you don't run around looking like 90% of the server.

[mdkuser]

so when cap was 75 full usu mnk's were best off with white tathlum, rajas ring brutal and I think even chiv chain?

a bit late but: for weapons with same TP gain as destroyers (delay 41-59) there are several STP tiers that are nice to achieve, where your numbers of hits to reach 100 get a larger boost on average than other numbers. 21 STP is a tier for example ( full usu + rajas+brutal+ WT), going from 19 to 21 stp by using WT is about 5-6% WS frequency boost, while you expect it to be only 2% normally. This is easilly seen by counting teh hits needing to reach 100: it drops by one for almost all 8, 7 and 6 - hit asuran fists. The previous tier is 16 IIRC, and the next is above 30.

On the other hands, the numbers are completly different for H2H with spharai's delay for example ( never computed those).