What's Better?

[Neosutra]

Or you could go kill LaTheine Leige and make 500k per kill off Sharpeye mantles and get the key item that way?

You guys are acting like Carabossa is AV.

edit: Anyways, the pros/cons for each have been offered, people can make their own decision. I've made my suggestion for high end mnks with the capability and access to Carabossa. Pick the one that suites you best.

[Onorgul]

What makes one a high-end Monk if they're willing to settle for a weapon that, under the most generous of conditions, is on par with Destroyers?

And, speaking of, since you're advocating so strongly for a meaningless sidegrade from last year's weapon, perhaps you could shed some light on the proc rate of the Additional Effect? Assuming 100% uptime is needlessly generous in comparing Afflictors to any of the many superior options.

[FailureMidgard]

There's also the opportunity cost of Abyssea time used to get the Carabosse popset (and kill it), unless you just finished an exp party and are sitting with 200minutes in zone/etc. That's time you can't be using to get yourself Serpentes pieces, Auric Dagger, etc, etc, etc. And in addition to that, there's the fact other mnks (or people with mnk as a 4th job) may want them too, whereas you have complete control over the others.

Personally, I despise trials, but I still think the trials are easier (especially if you can team up).

[Neosutra]

What makes one a high-end Monk if they're willing to settle for a weapon that, under the most generous of conditions, is on par with Destroyers?

We just did the math to show Tapians are slightly better (in some situations) and slightly worse (in others) than Afflictors.

How the hell do you make the logical jump to "on par with Destroyers".

And you could make the same argument for Trials Failure: The 30 hours you spend doing Tapians could have been used building time in Abyssea via Exp TEs and farming a variety of mobs (or getting a pair of afflictors ) for much greater reward.

[Byrthnoth]

We just did the math to show Tapians are slightly better (in some situations) and slightly worse (in others) than Afflictors.

How the hell do you make the logical jump to "on par with Destroyers".

And you could make the same argument for Trials Failure: The 30 hours you spend doing Tapians could have been used building time in Abyssea via Exp TEs and farming a variety of mobs (or getting a pair of afflictors ) for much greater reward.

I'm still assuming you're trolling. Afflictors aren't on par with STR/Atk Tapians.

It would behoove you to stop posting. Good day!

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[Scritch]

My point about Fangs getting better is if given the choice between two "easily acquired" (I'm in the camp where Fangs are easier to acquire, but I'll agree with your point that Afflictors might be easy), and are "slightly better and slightly worse"... what would I rather spend my time getting? The one that'll never get upgraded, or the one that'll take probably 500 mobs next update to give us a decent Lv.90 (or w/e) weapon before we figure out how to get the other Lv.90 H2Hs?

Of course this discussion is moot for me anyway, STR/Att are more important to PUP than MNK so obviously I go for the fangs.

[Onorgul]

How the hell do you make the logical jump to "on par with Destroyers".

Better modeling of weapons: http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...1283263&page=1

Seriously, though, proc rate on Afflictors?

[Neosutra]

Better modeling of weapons: http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...1283263&page=1

Seriously, though, proc rate on Afflictors?

Couple things:

That link didnt take into account fstr and pdif arguments stated here. Additionally, I've already stated when each combination with be better.

Like I said 4 times: Intelligent people here know when each weapon will be superior and will make the decision for themselves based on their gear, use of mnk, buffs, and which is easier/better for them to get.

However, again: Saying "magians can be upgraded further" is irrelevant, as I could say "higher level mnk weapons will also drop at new level caps as well".

But I'm going to move away from this debate, Byrthnoth is raging on his keyboard and me pointing out the difference between the two weapons any more will most likely make his little head explode.

[Onorgul]

Like I said 4 times: Intelligent people here know when each weapon will be superior and will make the decision for themselves based on their gear, use of mnk, buffs, and which is easier/better for them to get.

Right: they'll avoid Afflictors like the plague except as town gear. What part of "inferior" do you have difficulty with?

[Neosutra]

Right: they'll avoid Afflictors like the plague except as town gear. What part of "inferior" do you have difficulty with?

Probably the part where you compared them to destroyers when they are at worst marginally worse than Tapians and at best slightly better.

[Scritch]

However, again: Saying "magians can be upgraded further" is irrelevant, as I could say "higher level mnk weapons will also drop at new level caps as well".
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No, the point is we have a very good idea of the difficulty of further Magian trials. We do not have a good idea of the difficulty of getting new NM drops. I like the safety net of a sure thing, rather than rolling the dice.

[Neosutra]

Right, NMs are hard. EPs are easy. Gotcha.

[fredjanx]

I've made my suggestion for high end mnks. Pick the one that suites you best.

Lunaris Claws would like a word with you.

[Mercilessturtle]

I just don't get it. Are you trolling now or something?

Duh? Whenever he gets bored he posts retarded shit to try to start a fight with thorny.

[Callisto]

Right, NMs potentially have random and/or microscopic drop rates that could take an hour or 6 months. EPs are easy. Gotcha.

Think that's what you're looking for.

[Neosutra]

Lunaris Claws would like a word with you.

Those are pretty sexy, I agree. I need to find some time to do the new MMM fights.

Oh, and Callisto, weapon drop rates in Abyssea have been pretty damn good so far.

But anyways, this isnt going anywhere. Onorgul is really getting upset that he can't kill easy NMs and wants to justify 30 hours of EP for situational improvement, so I'll leave him to his misery.

[Onorgul]

Probably the part where you compared them to destroyers when they are at worst marginally worse than Tapians and at best slightly better.

If all it took was adding some Delay to an H2H weapon in order to make is better (bearing in mind that your arguments about pDIF and fSTR are complete bullshit, but necessary bullshit to justify your bad decision-making process), we'd have all been using Manoples or Kaiser Knuckles instead of Destroyers for the past half of a decade. You can discuss opportunity cost if that's your idea of a fun time, but Afflictors are and will ever remain trash.

[Neosutra]

If all it took was adding some Delay to an H2H weapon in order to make is better (bearing in mind that your arguments about pDIF and fSTR are complete bullshit, but necessary bullshit to justify your bad decision-making process), we'd have all been using Manoples or Kaiser Knuckles instead of Destroyers for the past half of a decade. You can discuss opportunity cost if that's your idea of a fun time, but Afflictors are and will ever remain trash.

You're the guy that compared them to Destroyers.

I already showed when and where they will fail and succeed. No one said "more delay is better", I merely pointed out the hits to 100 TP (which was valid).

Mnks capping fStr is bullshit?

Capped pDif is bullshit?

You're link to alla is definitely appropriate.

Keep raging and linking Allakazham please, all the while crying "NMs are harder than EPs!"

[fredjanx]

I don't see how can you compare Afflictors to Destroyers, since, Afflictors are pretty close (but behind) to STR/ATK Tapian Fangs...... preupdate, STR/ATK Cat's Claws were better than destroyers <.<

[Onorgul]

Maybe I'm going to a slight extreme, but if you're seriously going to try to justify shit weapons like Afflictors, you may as well just stick with Destroyers and not expend any time or effort whatsoever.