Israel attacks aid ship, kills at least 10 civilians

[Plow]

http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/were-i...comment-198315

Again, I doubt Israel would go that far such as to fake the photos because nothing there is a 'weapon' anyway.

But:



Again, I dunno what the hell "EXIF" means or w/e. Could this just be an embarrassing mistake? It's probably present-day right but just a camera error.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchang...ge_file_format

Exif was created by the Japan Electronic Industries Development Association (JEIDA). Version 2.1 of the specification is dated June 12, 1998, and the latest, version 2.2 dated April 2002, is also known as Exif Print. Though the specification is not currently maintained by any industry or standards organisation, its use by camera manufacturers is nearly universal.

The metadata tags defined in the Exif standard cover a broad spectrum:

* Date and time information. Digital cameras will record the current date and time and save this in the metadata.
* Camera settings. This includes static information such as the camera model and make, and information that varies with each image such as orientation (rotation), aperture, shutter speed, focal length, metering mode, and ISO speed information.
* A thumbnail for previewing the picture on the camera's LCD screen, in file managers, or in photo manipulation software.
* Descriptions and copyright information.

Like you said, faking those shots would be way beyond retarded, other than the one bigass curved knife that's not any kind of cooking or construction tool I've ever seen.

Most likely they just never set the cameras, although that in and of itself would be pretty damn stupid.

It could make sense with the slingshots and stuff, though, as why the hell they'd have those is beyond me.

This data can be taken out of a photo but as far as I know it can't be altered.

It absolutely can, it's not hard at all.

[Kuya]

I haven't heard anything on the Rachel Corrie yet, anyone know if the ship got to Gaza or if it has been stopped?

[Plow]

I haven't heard anything on the Rachel Corrie yet, anyone know if the ship got to Gaza or if it has been stopped?

Wouldn't get there til this weekend at the earliest.

[zoobernut]

It absolutely can, it's not hard at all.

Yeah I have never had a reason to or needed to alter the information on an image but I guess if it is easy to get rid of the data it must also be easy to alter it. I just have never seen how. The metadata has a tendency to go away though if you open up the image in an editor and then save it out in a different format.

[archibaldcrane]

Like you said, faking those shots would be way beyond retarded, other than the one bigass curved knife that's not any kind of cooking or construction tool I've ever seen.

I don't even know why they'd release those shots. They look terribly stupid acting as if they've cured the scourge of Hamas knife attacks or something by telling people that's what they seized.

14 (or whatever) dead, but hey guys we got their knives!

[Elvis]

Israeli Arab member of Knesset, Hanin Zoabi (she was on-board the flotilla) is called a "terrorist” and “traitor” by the Jewish Israeli MKs.



MK Regev tells Zoabi: Go to Gaza, traitor!
Fight breaks out in Knesset as members turn violent towards Arab MK who took part in Gaza flotilla

Knesset members on Wednesday slammed MK Hanin Zoabi (Balad), who took part in the flotilla to Gaza raided by the IDF on Monday. Fears of violence against her by other MKs have led the Knesset to grant her personal security guards.

MK Anastassia Michaeli (Yisrael Beiteinu) chased Zoabi in an attempt to keep her from speaking, and a fight broke out at the podium. Other MKs tried to separate between the two women, and eventually Michaeli was removed from the hall.

[Kuya]

He was trying to but they kidnapped him off international waters.

[Dimmauk]

If I ever get pulled over while visiting another town, and the Cop wants to search my car, and all I have is "food and toys", then im totally beating his ass with a pipe. Then i'll act surprised when he shoots and arrests me.

[Kuya]

lol

[Elvis]

those uppity negroes

dont they know Israeli jurisdiction is the universe, bow down to Zionism or DIE

[Meat]

I haven't heard anything on the Rachel Corrie yet, anyone know if the ship got to Gaza or if it has been stopped?

i hear the idf is going to greet it with a fleet of sea bulldozers

[Kuya]

Sea bulldozers? Israeli technology is beyond all meassurement.

[Elvis]

Exceptional and perpetually victimized!

[Rhinox]

If I ever get pulled over while visiting another town, and the Cop wants to search my car, and all I have is "food and toys", then im totally beating his ass with a pipe. Then i'll act surprised when he shoots and arrests me.

A better analogy would be If you were on your way back from mexico and the Texas State police sets up a road block 100 miles from the Mexican border and They attacked you in Mexico before you even reached the roadblock because you're suspected of smuggling drugs and you fight back.

[Elvis]

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20100601-27561.html

MPs deny activists on Gaza aid trip were armed

Two German parliamentarians and a former MP arrived safe in Berlin on Tuesday following an Israeli raid on a naval aid convoy for the Gaza Strip. All three politicians denied Israeli claims that those on board had been armed and provoked the violence.

The Left party parliamentarians Annette Groth and Inge Höger, in addition to former MP Norman Paech, were aboard the Turkish ship Mavi Marmara when Israeli forces stormed the deck, killing several people and reportedly wounding dozens of others.

The three visibly shaken German politicians who arrived back in Berlin on Tuesday morning said that those on their ship had not been armed as the Israelis claim.

"The Israeli government justifies the raid because they were attacked. This is absolutely not the case," said former parliamentarian Paech, 72, wrapped in a blanket. "This was not an act of self-defence."

His comments were backed by two others on board the convoy when it was raided at dawn on Monday in international waters, MPs Inge Höger, 59, and Annette Groth, 56.

"We felt like we were in a war, like we were being kidnapped," Höger said. "We wanted to bring aid to Gaza. Nobody had a weapon."

However, video released by the Israeli military show the commandos being beaten with blunt objects and thrown overboard as they try to take control of a ship. Jerusalem says the soldiers opened fire after being attacked with clubs and knives by several activists.

"Personally I saw two and a half wooden batons that were used ... There was really nothing else. We never saw any knives," Paech said. "This was an attack in international waters on a peaceful mission ... This was a clear act of piracy."

A German doctor on the ship, Matthias Jochheim, who had bloodstains on his trousers from people he treated, said that he had personally seen four dead people and that he expected the total death toll to be 15.

Jochheim said in Berlin that there were "at least" 50 people badly injured.

"Personally I saw four dead ... The soldiers used live ammunition, not rubber bullets or something," he said.

"I heard from an Iranian colleague that there was a fifth person dead. And then I heard from a reliable source that there were 15 killed in total... mostly from gunshot wounds."

The Mavi Marmara was one of six ships carrying some 10,000 tonnes of supplies to Gaza, which has been under a crippling Israeli blockade since 2007 when the Islamist Hamas movement seized control of the territory.

But Israel's ambassador to Germany, Yoram Ben-Zeev, criticised the German MPs for being part of a convoy that he said aimed to break through a blockade meant to keep weapons from being smuggled into the Gaza Strip.

"An operation backed by Hamas, which wants to destroy the Jewish state, is not going to help the peace process," Ben-Zeev told Der Tagesspiegel daily. "Where were these politicians from The Left and other Germans when Hamas was firing hundreds of rockets at Israel from the Gaza Strip?"

[chazzyphizzle]

Dim Dim Dim, what are we gonna do with you?

[Dimmauk]

A better analogy would be If you were on your way back from mexico and the Texas State police sets up a road block 100 miles from the Mexican border and They attacked you in Mexico before you even reached the roadblock because you're suspected of smuggling drugs and you fight back.

I no longer go to Mexico, that place is scary.

[Max™]

Fun facts!

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...f5e9970c-550wi

[Zoolander]

This is what astounds me about Israel's actions. This flotilla was PACKED with high ranking people from all over the world. They set themselves up so that their opinions and voices would be heard after-the-fact and to give it some legitimacy. I don't think they went in expecting people to be killed, but they sure as hell were prepared in pretty much the best way possible should anything at all like this go down. Israel couldn't have played into what the flotilla was trying to accomplish any better. So much damning evidence from so many different parties on board. I continue to be fascinated by their decision making process. Its far better than any car crash I've driven past.

[Linliel]

Yeah, well, if you read that article I posted, it was basically a win-win for the flotilla (though they would have preferred the getting-through win). If Israel jumped on them and acted like they thought they would (and they did!) then the resulting public storm would be a win for them. If they got through the blockade, Israel would be seen as weak and they would have been able to give over the aid materials, which would have been a win for them. I guess Israel basically judged that it was better for them to be seen as strong and to hope that the public is still in fear of being labelled anti-Semitic if they question Israel's actions.