iPhone 4

[Neosutra]

What does this even meeeeeaaaaaan~

http://www.asseenontvguys.com/produc...raparound-.jpg

But honestly, I can see the appeal to the average consumer. They see "MORE MEGAPIXELS" and somehow it must simply be better (just don't tell them that means they can take LESS pictures on a given #MB of storage). I understand that the ability to record and edit video vastly appeals to this whole "facebook/twitter lifestyle"

I'm just saying that the only "upgrades" that I would even utilize from a 4 vs a 3GS would be the higher resolution, the alleged longer battery life, and whatever they might fix with the map/navigation.

A majority of the shit that the keynote highlighted makes me scoff.

I usually take pic -> upload to my online profile -> delete pics off phone.

If I were to ever max out my space.

But I dont think anyone is suggesting you use this as your HD camera replacement if your job is a photographer and you plan on taking 1000000 pictures a day >.>.

[Tyche]

I'll probably get it because there's really nothing to lose. I can sell my old iphone on ebay for $300, resign the contract, and get a free 32gb 4.

[GRT]

do you still have to stand in line if you pre order for instore pickup?

[zoobernut]

More megapixels is even more useless in a camera than just taking up more space on your card. The average person is going to take those digital photo's and upload them online which downsizes them or print them at 4x5" at largest anyway. The average person will never benefit from having more than 5 or 6 mp doing that.

More mp means more tightly packed pixels on the sensor means each individual pixel is less light sensitive (because it is smaller) means higher noise and worse low light performance. (In general)


This new iphone looks really cool. I wonder how the glass back is going to work. I think I am going to hold off and see how it holds up once everyone has one and is playing with them. My wife has a 3gs but I don't have an iphone yet. This one does interest me though.

Also anyone who does poo poo at low res cameras in phones should check out a book by Chase Jarvis called "The best camera is the one that is with you." An entire book of iphone photos.

[Neosutra]

More megapixels is even more useless in a camera than just taking up more space on your card. The average person is going to take those digital photo's and upload them online which downsizes them or print them at 4x5" at largest anyway. The average person will never benefit from having more than 5 or 6 mp doing that.

More mp means more tightly packed pixels on the sensor means each individual pixel is less light sensitive (because it is smaller) means higher noise and worse low light performance. (In general)


This new iphone looks really cool. I wonder how the glass back is going to work. I think I am going to hold off and see how it holds up once everyone has one and is playing with them. My wife has a 3gs but I don't have an iphone yet. This one does interest me though.

Also anyone who does poo poo at low res cameras in phones should check out a book by Chase Jarvis called "The best camera is the one that is with you." An entire book of iphone photos.

That's kinda like arguing 1080p on a TV is useless because most people dont have 20/20 vision.

Hater's gonna hate.

[zoobernut]

That's kinda like arguing 1080p on a TV is useless because most people dont have 20/20 vision.

Hater's gonna hate.

Except its not because more MP will actually effect the camera's performance negatively unless it is done correctly and in most camera's it isn't. Your analogy doesn't make any sense to what I was talking about.

The reality is that people get taken in by advertising and buy shit they don't need because sales people tell them its cool and people in this country are too lazy to research and really understand what they need, not what someone else tells them they need.

[Neosutra]

Except its not because more MP will actually effect the camera's performance negatively unless it is done correctly and in most camera's it isn't. Your analogy doesn't make any sense to what I was talking about.

The reality is that people get taken in by advertising and buy shit they don't need because sales people tell them its cool and people in this country are too lazy to research and really understand what they need, not what someone else tells them they need.

Except if you look at the technology they did it correctly, so your argument isnt really based on reality.

[Boyiee]

So how does the new at&t data thing work?

Currently I'm using iphone 3G with unlimited plan ofcourse, my contract is about up, I'm due for an upgrade, I want iphone4. Will I no longer be able to tether my laptop anymore or something? Should I go opt for a contract with verizon when the new droid is out?

I love love love my iphone, and have been looking forward to this upgrade for a while.

[GRT]

iphone 4 vs Evo 4g

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/i...-evo-4g-fight/

[zoobernut]

Except if you look at the technology they did it correctly, so your argument isnt really based on reality.

You are incorrect but whatever. This discussion doesn't belong in this thread. If you want to talk about camera technology and the megapixel myth you can pm me.

Or just google Megapixel Myth.

Unless you are printing poster sized prints you don't need that much resolution. There are so many other factors that ruin photos. Specially in a phone.

[Boyiee]

There are so many other factors that ruin photos. Specially in a phone.

Would the fact that it's a phone taking the pictures be one of those factors?

edit: before my questions get lost on last page.

I'm a current AT&T unlimited plan customer, contract runs out soon, was planning to upgrade to iphone4 since I'm due:

How does new AT&T plan for data affect me?
Will I no longer be able to tether my laptop from my iphone?

[miokomioko]

By the way, if you currently have an iPhone and you want to check when exactly you will be eligible for a phone upgrade, go to Phone > Keypad and enter:

*639#

And press Call


Edit: About the data plans, current unlimited data plans will be no longer available once they expire. You will have to pick one of the new bullshit data plans if you were to sign a new contract. The only decent thing AT&T is doing regarding that is anyone who ordered a 3G iPad before June 7th (today) could get signed on to the unlimited 3G data plan but can only stay on it if they set their account to "auto-renew" or else the account will end and you will have to sign up for a new bullshit data plan.

[zoobernut]

Would the fact that it's a phone taking the pictures be one of those factors?

Yes but specifically it is because the lens and sensor size and the distance between the lens and the sensor are so limited by the fact that it is a phone. The reason why people say that MP don't matter (which is a broad half truth) is that the quality of the MP is more important than the amount of MP themselves. A 4mp DSLR with good lenses is going to take drastically different and higher quality (technically not artistically) photos than a 4mp point and shoot or a 4mp camera phone.

Like I said in my last post the size of each individual light sensing pixel on the sensor will also effect the quality of the camera. If the mp go up but the sensor stays the same size that means each pixel is smaller which means it captures less light and is more prone to signal noise.

The main advantage you get when you have higher mp is the ability to crop your photo more without losing detail but this advantage is lost on small sensor cameras like p&s and camera phones because of their relatively poor optics (lenses). Diffraction becomes a big issue when you start shrinking the opening of the lens down that much.

[Boyiee]

Edit: About the data plans, current unlimited data plans will be no longer available once they expire. You will have to pick one of the new bullshit data plans if you were to sign a new contract. The only decent thing AT&T is doing regarding that is anyone who ordered a 3G iPad before June 7th (today) could get signed on to the unlimited 3G data plan but can only stay on it if they set their account to "auto-renew" or else the account will end and you will have to sign up for a new bullshit data plan.

So basically, when contract expires go back to verizon and get a different phone.... cool.

[Neosutra]

Why isnt it June 24th yet ....?

[sruon]

Apple knows about Bonanza.

Also, apparently they're still using prioritary cable for charging, despite signing the Harmonisation of a charging capability of common charger for mobile phones 1 year ago.

[Tyche]

Here's my daughter in glorious 15.1 mp 4752 x 3168. Needs a billboard. Had to dumb down quality to get it under 2mb.

Spoiler for god damn heug

Spoiler: show

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/1166/img3162uy.jpg

[SaviorSelf]

I'll probably get it because there's really nothing to lose. I can sell my old iphone on ebay for $300, resign the contract, and get a free 32gb 4.

So you can upgrade for free if you've had your contract for a while? I have a 3G and am due for an upgrade...

[Tyche]

No, I meant I can take the money from the sold iphone and apply it to the new one. Sorry, phrasing was a bit funny.

[Boyiee]

Ok looked at the 2gb plan people seem to be complaining about, even tethering I haven't used up many mb's. I only tether for an hour or 2 at work so this should work out well.

My contract with my 3G ends 5months and 12 days from now. Hello iPhone4.