Gunman kills several in Cumbria rampage

[Korietsu]

Logically, I had to godwin the thread as quickly as possible.

[Obev]

Proof that the only thing to do in the Lake District aside from hillwalking is to kill people and end yourself.

[drwaffles]

Proof that the only thing to do in the Lake District aside from hillwalking is to kill people and end yourself.

Oy, I based my GCSE Geography coursework on data gathered on a trip to Hawkshead, and there's lots to do besides just walking around. For example you can sit in a café and drink tea, buy overpriced souvenirs from shops that smell like wet hay or send American tourists off into the wilderness when they ask you for directions to the nearest McDonald's.

[Obev]

Oy, I based my GCSE Geography coursework on data gathered on a trip to Hawkshead, and there's lots to do besides just walking around. For example you can sit in a café and drink tea, buy overpriced souvenirs from shops that smell like wet hay or send American tourists off into the wilderness when they ask you for directions to the nearest McDonald's.

Then kill yourself.

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It's in the Lake District.. which is quite a popular tourist place.. not that I've ever been intrested in going :3

Stuff like this doesn't overly happen in the UK though, so when it does there is usually quite a big impact on everything ;3

And Cookies is copying my Gaga related avatars :/ Epic fail. She looked epic when she wore that dress at the O2 though :3

My avatar is better than yours!!!

Indeed.

Speak for yourself.

[BlaizeAsura]

Good old rural England, nothing happens for a few hundred years and then someone goes on a shotgun rampage.

[SephYuyX]

http://caley.theoffside.com/files/20...fuzz-angel.jpg

[Naggi]

Oh lovely, an hour away from me.

I know yeah. In fact, I think it's less for me.
Bollocks.

[Komm Suesser Tod]

Not like non-criminals having weapons in the states stops crime here. Still plenty of crime every day.

http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less.../dp/0226493636

[Therin]

I like Korietsu.

[Linliel]

http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less.../dp/0226493636

Ahhh, Americans. I love how they try to justify the stupid fucked up system they have through completely decontextualised numbers and figures. Enjoy having your kids pick up your guns and blow their heads off in your own house and all that ^^/ seems like a small price to pay for FREEEEEEDOMMMMMMMM

[Komm Suesser Tod]

Ahhh, Americans. I love how they try to justify the stupid fucked up system they have through completely decontextualised numbers and figures. Enjoy having your kids pick up your guns and blow their heads off in your own house and all that ^^/ seems like a small price to pay for FREEEEEEDOMMMMMMMM

Yes, because an economist's look at concealed carry permits effects on crime rates is so decontextualized.

And for the record, owning a gun =/= your children blow their heads off.

[Linliel]

Yes, because an economist's look at concealed carry permits effects on crime rates is so decontextualized.

did you even read the (academic) reviews of his book? they're all "uhhh no, not even the figures say this is true"

[Linliel]

Also, economists' answers are ALWAYS decontextualised. I just sat in on a top end project meeting in Brussels about how to green the economy with the top economic minds of Europe and America, and they have NO FUCKING IDEA how society works. Everything they do relies on numbers and statistics, and theoretical concepts of "growth" and game theory; not actually how people think about things.

This book is entirely the same.

[archibaldcrane]

Enjoy having your kids pick up your guns and blow their heads off in your own house and all that ^^/

Lol.

Ever shot a gun Linliel?

[Linliel]

Lol.

Ever shot a gun Linliel?

No thanks, though it's been offered.

But seriously, almost 4000 kids were killed by a gun in 1999. 214 of those were "unintentional" accidents.

"In 1999, 3,385 children and youth ages 0-19 years were killed with a gun. This includes homicides, suicides, and unintentional injuries."
http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topics/guns.htm


Also http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00046149.htm comparing gun deaths in different countries.
"The findings in this report document a high rate of death among U.S. children associated with violence and unintentional firearm-related injuries, particularly in comparison with other industrialized countries."

Also, ib4 false dichotomies between, say, having a gun in the house and having a swimming pool.

[MoogleAura]

The number of kids randomly finding their parent's gun(s) and blowing their brains out is considerably less than the number of lives that are saved because of the deterrant effect that owning a firearm creates.

Watch Penn & Teller and see the argument from both sides.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCXtfR0_roE

[Linliel]

This is a societal thing though. America has a social acceptance of violence, you've grown up with the idea of owning guns as being a right, that self-defence is a right, etc. In places like Australia (I can't speak for anywhere else), guns are for shooting foxes, cats, or wild pigs on your farm, not for anything else. Most Australians I know abhor guns and wouldn't want them anywhere near their house. Also, perhaps surprisingly to you, most people I know have never even touched a gun. It's just not in our culture.

My grandfather kept his WW2 rifle and a lot of his friends thought he was nuts. It was also the first thing my grandmother got rid of when he died, she hated having it in the house, even though there was no ammunition.

I know that I will have a completely different opinion from you, but you have to respect that not everywhere is like America. And the fact is, look at those statistics. You guys have by far the highest gun deaths in the developed world. There's something wrong there.

[Charismatic]

Shut the fuck up

[Korietsu]

Also http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00046149.htm comparing gun deaths in different countries.
"The findings in this report document a high rate of death among U.S. children associated with violence and unintentional firearm-related injuries, particularly in comparison with other industrialized countries."

Also, ib4 false dichotomies between, say, having a gun in the house and having a swimming pool.

Going to go ahead and say that the CDC said that the majority of its investigations funded in the clinton era were inconclusive.

* CDC admits there is no evidence that gun control reduces crime. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has long been criticized for propagating questionable studies which gun control organizations have used in defense of their cause. But after analyzing 51 studies in 2003, the CDC concluded that the "evidence was insufficient to determine the effectiveness of any of these [firearms] laws."9

9 The CDC study examined gun and ammunition bans, waiting periods, background checks, lock-up your safety laws, plus much more. The inescapable conclusion was that the "evidence was insufficient" to show that such gun restrictions reduced crime rates. [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Early Childhood Home Visitation and Firearms Laws," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (October 3, 2003), vol. 52(No. RR-14):14-18.]

If you don't believe that the defense of your own life is your own personal right, and that it's your duty to retreat rather than to stand your ground and defend yourself, your family and your property from all enemies foreign and domestic, you probably shouldn't be owning a weapon. You probably don't have the discipline to handle a pellet rifle, or even a nerf gun.

The majority of US gun owners have their guns for either hunting or recreational purposes such as target shooting, sporting clays, or as a way to keep their vision and coordination sharp. The majority of gun related injuries in the home come from improper safety, as well as a lack of discipline from those using it.

Guns and weapons are nothing to fear if you've got the small amount of common sense required to handle it, or the amount of common sense it requires to be trained to use one properly. The fear you describe in your society is irrational and unfounded.

USMC/USA/USAF/USN/FBI/EVERY FRIGGING CLASS AND COMMON SENSE TEACHES YOU THE FOLLOWING

2. SAFETY RULES

a. These safety rules apply to all weapons at all times, and must never be

violated.

- RULE #1 Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.

- RULE #2 never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.

- RULE #3 Keep finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire.

- RULE #4 Keep weapon on safe until you intend to fire.

There are even more that a person should be aware of, but those 4 are the basis of all weapons training. If you can't follow that and the people you know can't follow that, I don't know how the fuck you or them function in daily life. You can't even drive a car without observing rules 2-4 above.

"The philosophy of gun control: Teenagers are roaring through town at 90MPH, where the speed limit is 25. Your solution is to lower the speed limit to 20."
- Sam Cohen (inventor of the neutron bomb)

"If you've got to resist, you're chances of being hurt are less the more lethal your weapon. If that were my wife, would I want her to have a .38 Special in her hand? Yeah."
- Dr. Arthur Kellerman (famous gun grabber)

"If gun laws in fact worked, the sponsors of this type of legislation should have no difficulty drawing upon long lists of examples of crime rates reduced by such legislation. That they cannot do so after a century and a half of trying -- that they must sweep under the rug the southern attempts at gun control in the 1870-1910 period, the northeastern attempts in the 1920-1939 period, the attempts at both Federal and State levels in 1965-1976 -- establishes the repeated, complete and inevitable failure of gun laws to control serious crime."
- Senator Orrin Hatch

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."
- Mahatma Gandhi

"Those gun control activists advocating exchanging a liberty for safety should recall that the safest place on earth is solitary confinement at Leavenworth."

Should probably read the following wiki article on Jeff Cooper, the founding father of modern firearms techniques and conditions.