How women are more equal than men

[Dontkare]

I'm writing an argument/persuasion essay for my final and I need some ideas or facts on how women are more equal than men thanks!

Also before all the girls come in here and try to hate I'm not saying that women don't deserve to have equal rights, I'm saying if they want equality, let's make it actually equal

[Mateuns7]

More equal than?
1 > 1?

What exactly are you trying to argue here?

[Dontkare]

How women seem to have more rights than men do. When it comes to things like domestic violence, rape, and child custody, women have far more rights than men.

[Linliel]

There's a great chapter in Ronald Dworkin's "Taking Rights Seriously" on reverse racism, which is sort of what you're dealing with here. It's more on how to deal with the idea of equality, when you have a social structure that builds inequality into it (patriarchal societies, white-dominated societies).

Good luck!

[nealjack62]

girls should be more independent

[Rockstaru]

More equal than?
1 > 1?

For extremely large values of 1.

[Cesaria]

Might want to look up positive discrimination - best immediate example I can think of is the all-women shortlists for Parliamentary candidates that there were over here in the recent elections. They piss me off (and I'm female) because I don't want a state of affairs set up whereby anything I achieve can immediately be discredited by someone claiming I only achieved it because of my agenda.

Fundamentally though there's always got to be some inequality in acceptance of the fact that women have children and therefore need entitlements to things like maternity leave etc - although some don't half take the piss with it (teachers timing things so they get their full mat leave, return on the last day of the school year so they go back on full pay for the long summer holidays have ALWAYS pissed me off royally). But however you push for equality - that particular biological fact is always going to be there.

Might be worth pointing out there's a growing debate and concern over boys underachieving at school. The basics of it are that the school curriculum from a very early age favours girls - who are more likely to happily choose to do things like colour, play in the home corner etc - while boys are more physical and would hare around on bikes all day (personally I was the little girl who'd be haring around like a loon with 'em). Because of how boys develop differently to girls - particularly the youngest in the school year - tend to struggle because of issues like fine motor skills making writing an utter pain in the arse basically. Then as you get on through school - you have things like exams being replaced by coursework - which traditionally favours girls who can focus their work across the year much more than boys who tend to focus better with a one-off exam to work towards. Can probably find a lot of debate on that kind of issue if you google around, I'm typing it from half-remembered (ok, half slept-through) training days.

Of course with the school thing there's always exceptions - I was always the lazy shit who did brilliantly in exams, and my brother was the overachieving swot who worked solidly all year - so we reversed the general trend completely.

Don't know how it is over the pond but over here rape victims are guaranteed annonymity while the accused are not - been a fair few bits in the media lately about that (Daily Mail's always good if you're wanting a political correctness gone mad whine-esque story)

Can flip it the other way though and look at things like contraception - where the burden is largely put upon the women as a general rule though (just look at all the different types - women get a bajillion and men get one - and complain about having to use that one!)

[Kaylia]

More equal than?
1 > 1?

For extremely large values of 1.

/clap

Thinking about this statement destroyed the remaining braincells in my brain.

[test123]

[Null]

Gotta say, I worry about your essay with titles like "More equal".

[Dontkare]

That's not the title haha, that's just the thread title

[Dontkare]

Might want to look up positive discrimination - best immediate example I can think of is the all-women shortlists for Parliamentary candidates that there were over here in the recent elections. They piss me off (and I'm female) because I don't want a state of affairs set up whereby anything I achieve can immediately be discredited by someone claiming I only achieved it because of my agenda.

Fundamentally though there's always got to be some inequality in acceptance of the fact that women have children and therefore need entitlements to things like maternity leave etc - although some don't half take the piss with it (teachers timing things so they get their full mat leave, return on the last day of the school year so they go back on full pay for the long summer holidays have ALWAYS pissed me off royally). But however you push for equality - that particular biological fact is always going to be there.

Might be worth pointing out there's a growing debate and concern over boys underachieving at school. The basics of it are that the school curriculum from a very early age favours girls - who are more likely to happily choose to do things like colour, play in the home corner etc - while boys are more physical and would hare around on bikes all day (personally I was the little girl who'd be haring around like a loon with 'em). Because of how boys develop differently to girls - particularly the youngest in the school year - tend to struggle because of issues like fine motor skills making writing an utter pain in the arse basically. Then as you get on through school - you have things like exams being replaced by coursework - which traditionally favours girls who can focus their work across the year much more than boys who tend to focus better with a one-off exam to work towards. Can probably find a lot of debate on that kind of issue if you google around, I'm typing it from half-remembered (ok, half slept-through) training days.

Of course with the school thing there's always exceptions - I was always the lazy shit who did brilliantly in exams, and my brother was the overachieving swot who worked solidly all year - so we reversed the general trend completely.

Don't know how it is over the pond but over here rape victims are guaranteed annonymity while the accused are not - been a fair few bits in the media lately about that (Daily Mail's always good if you're wanting a political correctness gone mad whine-esque story)

Can flip it the other way though and look at things like contraception - where the burden is largely put upon the women as a general rule though (just look at all the different types - women get a bajillion and men get one - and complain about having to use that one!)

Maternity leave isn't something I consider inequality. What I consider inequality is during a divorce, at least in the state of Washington, the mother will get the kids, regardless of damn near everything. She could be unemployed and homeless, and the father could be making six figures living large and the mother would still get the kids.

[falloutboy14]

Don't know how it is over the pond but over here rape victims are guaranteed annonymity while the accused are not - been a fair few bits in the media lately about that (Daily Mail's always good if you're wanting a political correctness gone mad whine-esque story)

Can flip it the other way though and look at things like contraception - where the burden is largely put upon the women as a general rule though (just look at all the different types - women get a bajillion and men get one - and complain about having to use that one!)

It's the same over here with the annonymity. Given how often it is that the claims that are made go no-where, (either from a blatantly false claim, or lack of evidence) you'd think they'd do the same for the accused. Along with that, you also have sexual harrassment, which is difficult to define what is/isn't ok. And often-times, just being accused can be a life-changing event, (career/marriage-wise).

As far as reproductive issues are concerned. Aside from condoms, women may have the responsibilty of making contraception happen, but that also means control of the situation. Post-conception, obviously all of the decisions are the mothers. I think it'd be a good idea if a father were able to say, "I'm not ready to be a father, I don't the be in charge of providing for a child through either love or affection." Women seem to have the alternative of abortion or adoption. Men have the alternative of being a dead-beat dad.

You might want to check this out. It's a series of youtube videos that are essentially a recording of a radio inverview, of the author of a book called The Myth of Male Power. It's like 3 hours long though. Don't believe everything you hear, because a significant amount of it is BS. But I imagine you'll get some good stuff.
*can't post links yet, so I'll send you a pm*

A few points to add:
- Military service, women are given safer, non-combat roles, but paid as-if they took that risk
- Not sure about other colleges, but at mine there were several minority-support groups, one for blacks, hispanics, asians, women etc. I assume their purpose was designed to keep their demographic in school, provide support, whatever else. Last I heard, female completion rates for college were a fair deal higher then males.

[Chen]

people haven't heard of/don't understand the expression more equal?

[Plow]

Maternity leave isn't something I consider inequality. What I consider inequality is during a divorce, at least in the state of Washington, the mother will get the kids, regardless of damn near everything. She could be unemployed and homeless, and the father could be making six figures living large and the mother would still get the kids.

That's all good though, cuz a man can be living off $600 a month in unemployment and $300 of it will go to child support, while a woman that doesn't get custody can pretty much consider herself free and clear of the entire situation.

[Dontkare]

That's all good though, cuz a man can be living off $600 a month in unemployment and $300 of it will go to child support, while a woman that doesn't get custody can pretty much consider herself free and clear of the entire situation.

I see what you did there :>

[Linliel]

As far as reproductive issues are concerned. Aside from condoms, women may have the responsibilty of making contraception happen, but that also means control of the situation. Post-conception, obviously all of the decisions are the mothers. I think it'd be a good idea if a father were able to say, "I'm not ready to be a father, I don't the be in charge of providing for a child through either love or affection." Women seem to have the alternative of abortion or adoption. Men have the alternative of being a dead-beat dad.

You can't reduce this to simple equality issues though, this is a biological problem which we can't overcome, vs things like being paid equally in the same job, for example. Sure there needs to be more male contraceptives available, definitely. But blaming women for causing an inequality when there is nothing they can do about it is pretty harsh. Mind you, in the case of reproducing, I think it should be a joint decision about how things go. If you respect your partner and your partner respects you, this is a nobrainer. If you're stupid enough to fuck around without contraception, then you probably deserve all you get

[Not Kuno]

Look at mens rights: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_rights

It covers marriage and divorce, ailmony, education, employment, false rape accusations, fathers rights (getting paternity leave, child support, etc), military etc. It should have everything you need.

[shidobu]

I just wanna be able to hit a bitch when she hits me and not be "frowned" at. Thats when we will be truly equal. Fuck this legal mambo jumbo.
In the 9th grade fuckin cunt hits me in the throat in the middle of class (unprovoked). Teacher never saw it. I so wanted to fuckin kill the cunt but had I caused a commotion and hit her back. I woulda been the bad guy.

[#686578]

Just watch everything in this channel

http://www.youtube.com/user/manwomanmyth