How women are more equal than men

[Shenrien]

More equal than?
1 > 1

ftfy

[Mistress Stowastiq]

Not quite sure how a person could be more equal.

You could compare the amount of research and public attention focused on prostate cancer and compare it to that of ovarian or breast cancer coverage, though I have heard interviews where people state that is related to females being more active in the cause. I have not done any research to argue either side but I thought I would mention it as a possible subject.

[thetruepandagod]

Really you could mention ANYTHING about the court/legal system in regards to men vs women, you could cite a million cases of men losing custody of their children to jobless crack addicted women. I mean really women are god in a court system it's not even fair.

[Linliel]

Not quite sure how a person could be more equal.

I think the idea is that in trying to make things actually equal, institutions go out of their way to overemphasise encouraging women into things they normally wouldn't do, with various incentives that then leave the men feeling as though they aren't being treated fairly. I've been applying for jobs recently and some of the ads have said things like "We especially encourage women to apply" or "women and minorities", which, although in the long run are promoting equality in society on the whole, are, in the particular context, discriminating against men (though it's great for me! ). Hence the "more equal", which is just a bit of paradoxical wit to draw attention to the issue.

[Kashka]

If you need more academic sources for quotes, you could look at the Nathanson and Young series called Beyond The Fall Of Man, they have three books out arguing that misandry has been institutionalized and one of their books specifically looks at legalized discrimination: Legalizing Misandry: From Public Shame to Systemic Discrimination Against Men (2006). Of course, a lot of it is your mileage may vary stuff.

Similarly, Camille Paglia and Christina Hoff Sommers have pretty much made a career out of denouncing how feminism has given women more rights than men. You could also use the ACLU's "Analysis of Major Civil Liberties Abuses in the Crime Bill Conference Report as Passed by the House and the Senate", dated September 29, 1994" which attacks certain parts of the violence against women act as unconstitutional. Overall they seem to be in support of the act though.

If you do some research you'll find that a lot of people have already argued what you're going to in your paper, most of them are conservatives though so you might not have been looking in the right places.

Just my two cents about the maternal leave thing; I don't see why it should be considered an entitlement solely to women. Call it parental leave and make it so both parents can use/abuse the system. In Sweden they get a year of leave, 3 months has to be taken each parent, and the other 6 is divided up as they see fit. The idea there isn't to make parenting more equal though, it's to curb the impact that childbirth and childrearing has on the wage gap.

[Neosutra]

Kinda like how women in the army:

Get to take physical fitness tests that have half the standards of males and receive the same score and get promoted based on that score?

Can end a male's career simple through accusation.

Will get promoted faster, for doing less.

Get paid the same, but dont have to (some would say dont get to) do any of the dangerous combat jobs.

Can leave deployment for getting pregnant.

[isladar]

Can leave deployment for getting pregnant.

Wouldn't she get in huge trouble for sleeping with someone while deployed, though?

[Cesaria]

I think the idea is that in trying to make things actually equal, institutions go out of their way to overemphasise encouraging women into things they normally wouldn't do, with various incentives that then leave the men feeling as though they aren't being treated fairly. I've been applying for jobs recently and some of the ads have said things like "We especially encourage women to apply" or "women and minorities", which, although in the long run are promoting equality in society on the whole, are, in the particular context, discriminating against men (though it's great for me! ). Hence the "more equal", which is just a bit of paradoxical wit to draw attention to the issue.

On the other hand - I'm a primary teacher (little kids to those who don't speak Brit) and basically there's such a shortage of men in the job that if a man applies for a job you've got your eyes on - give up now. It's become a running joke that to get a full-time job (god forbid I'd ever want to work full-time again ever) you need either a sex change or to learn to play the piano.

But yeah I hate positive discrimination - if I get somewhere I'd like it to be because of my merits, not because of the contents of my knickers.

[Lucavi]

Wouldn't she get in huge trouble for sleeping with someone while deployed, though?

Depends on the area, but for the most part, yes she would.

[Feedmenow]

What do you mean "More Equal"?

It's a reference to Animal Farm, by George Orwell. More specifically, the phrase is borrowed from the quote "All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others". The phrase "more equal than" is a perfect description of what OP is talking about.

I think that just about every highs school student in the U.S. reads either Animal Farm or 1984, if not both, at some point before graduating.

[Norellicus]

1984 doesn't really demonstrate that point very well (though it is still a good sociopolitical commentary). At least, not as well as Animal Farm does.

As I understand it without further context from the OP, the purpose of the argument is to point out how the energy that is put into ensuring "equality" among races/genders has actually shifted to a point now where the minorities are, in effect, the majority, in a wide variety of circumstances; if not in actual statistics, then at least in the way they are treated. Complain as a white Caucasian male, and you will be succinctly ignored, or at least put through your usual bureaucracy; complain as a minority citizen, and everyone starts jumping on tables to get results and will not rest until you are personally satisfied with the outcome.

It's amazing how polar the opinions are on the matter, and even more amazing how many people are actually "cross camp" on the subject (i.e. minority groups who want to abolish affirmative action because they want to be employed by merit, not ethnicity).

[Kuya]

I thought thread title said 'Hot women are more equal than men'

[aru]

Building off of what people have been saying about the military, I remember awhile ago there was some controversy about women firefighters that were unable to perform the physical tasks that male/all firefighters had to do. Instead of carrying an injured/unconscious person using a "firefighter's carry" (ffs), women could drag the person by their ankles (which would result in risk of concussion if traveling down stairs or being dragged through debris such as broken glass). I'm pretty sure that they weren't required to man the hoses either, but I'm not entirely sure on that one.

You could also mention that in competitive sports women have the challenge reduced. Shot-puts are lighter, softballs are bigger than baseballs and thrown underhand, hurdles are shorter, etc.

[Charismatic]

Just watch everything in this channel

http://www.youtube.com/user/manwomanmyth

yeaaaaaaah

[Talus]

Well I run, and one of the things that pops up in my head is they are "more equal" in the sense that for a woman around 25, she can run a 3:40:59 marathon and qualify for Boston, while at 25, a man has to run a 3:10:59.

Men can qualify with a little higher than that time (3:45:59) when they're 55-59. Cool, right?

In medicine, obstetrics and gynecology is a more well-established and wide-spread (no pun intended) specialty than andrology. Men's health issues in general get short shrift compared to women's health issues. (But, OTOH, contraceptive methods end up being a woman's responsibility if a couple doesn't use condoms, or uses another method in combination with condoms like the pill, implants, IUD, etc).

[Linliel]

But yeah I hate positive discrimination - if I get somewhere I'd like it to be because of my merits, not because of the contents of my knickers.

Yeah, absolutely agree.

[Callisto]

Alimony is the biggest I've seen personally, I worked with massive amounts of wage garnishment documents, many of them for back-owed child support. The amounts of alimony that women had to pay to the rare cases of men who won custody were minuscule fractions of what men with similar income had to pay. I recall seeing one where a woman had not paid her child support and was getting her wages garnished for it...the guy was only rewarded $16 a week while the woman made $32k/year.

[Cadsuane]

Someone's gonna write the masculine mystique eventually and then whoa, you'd better watch out you female-chauvinist misandrists, always financially objectifying men.

Does anyone else think this is funny?

[Bingbong]

Yeah, I'd stick with divorce and the "equality" that goes with that.
Alimony, custody, etc etc etc.

[Acturus]

I don't know how serious of a topic this is, but you can always go the nightclub route, how women get no cover charge, women can enter clubs at 18 when men enter at 21, drink specials for chicks, ladies' nights, etc. etc.