LS + people who box

[Thorny]

I find that anyone and everyone is replaceable - if someone wants to lot gear on two different accounts, then they won't ever be in an LS I am running ever again. It's not worth the hassle / emo / QQ.

ITT: The player who's probably decked(how many dual boxers aren't?), has a wider job spread, has the ability to fill in shortmanned events with 2 characters, etc isn't worth keeping because some teenager who can't understand economics is may-ad. Sure, your RMTed second account(I know you didn't buy it, but someone did.. Aiolias iirc?) came with everything already, but things like double refresh DO make a noticable difference. Blanket statements are pointless, because even different people's quality of 2boxing is different. It needs to be case-by-case, lotting an item for a mule over someone's main that'd put it to use is jackassy. Lotting an item for a mule that's more or less always on the job over someone with 12 75s that wants it to be more complete is different(IE: when I got my alt's chapeau over someone who couldn't name the last time they were on RDM in or outside ls events).

This thread is just circular though, there'll be no convincing retards like RingThree or Orson otherwise.. but the people with a decent understanding of economics already get it.

[NynJa]

Half of the argument is also between point system, and /point system. My arguments are entirely under point system.

[Odin'sLaw]

sad to say the simple way of saying things are

Player A has pld war drk drg sam
Player AB has blm brd cor rdm

Player B has Rdm drk sam

Player a is normally sam and rdm

Player B is normally on Sam

Player A wants AB to get Chapie

Player B bitches that he should get it dispite the fact he's only on rdm once in a blue moon

Bad Ls leader gives it to B

the next 10 weeks AB is still playing rdm full time while B hasn't been seen on it

Shits situational but this situation is shit (half asleep 1 quarter not sure why last 25% kinda stopped caring)

[orson]

ITT: The player who's probably decked(how many dual boxers aren't?), has a wider job spread, has the ability to fill in shortmanned events with 2 characters, etc isn't worth keeping because some teenager who can't understand economics is may-ad. Sure, your RMTed second account(I know you didn't buy it, but someone did.. Aiolias iirc?) came with everything already, but things like double refresh DO make a noticable difference. Blanket statements are pointless, because even different people's quality of 2boxing is different. It needs to be case-by-case, lotting an item for a mule over someone's main that'd put it to use is jackassy. Lotting an item for a mule that's more or less always on the job over someone with 12 75s that wants it to be more complete is different(IE: when I got my alt's chapeau over someone who couldn't name the last time they were on RDM in or outside ls events).

This thread is just circular though, there'll be no convincing retards like RingThree or Orson otherwise.. but the people with a decent understanding of economics already get it.

Um.. Did you even read what I was saying? I was literally saying pretty much the exact same thing. I'm not sure why people are automatically assuming I am saying that there is never a time where you could: A. allow a player with 2 characters to get the same piece of gear or B. even getting a second piece of gear to use for trivial matters such as inventory convenience. NynJa was consistently misconstruing and oversimplifying.

Also economics have little to do with a LS if you are just working together as friends. Even if you're just looking at it from a position of running company often companies with give out base equipment to even starting employees once they're past a probation period (though unlike in real life the ownership is almost always maintained by the individual.) I agree if all you want to do is run a LS as an organization that invests people's time and returns gear and gil then members should never have a problem with anyone spending points on anything. I have met very few people that actually think like that in this game because this game tends to have much more going on than just individual time vs reward ratio.

[NynJa]

No, I was being spot on, you were being a fucking retard constantly goin "whatever youre greedy".

[orson]

No, I was being spot on, you were being a fucking retard constantly goin "whatever youre greedy".

No you were busy trolling spamtard.

[NynJa]

Look, if myself, Failure and Thorny can all agree on one thing, you clearly have nothing, absolutely NOTHING, to present that could give you a viable counter argument, to say that can offer any reason...

[orson]

Look, if myself, Failure and Thorny can all agree on one thing, you clearly have nothing, absolutely NOTHING, to present that could give you a viable counter argument, to say that can offer any reason...

Oh in that case you're totally right cause It wasn't like Thorny just said.

It needs to be case-by-case, lotting an item for a mule over someone's main that'd put it to use is jackassy. Lotting an item for a mule that's more or less always on the job over someone with 12 75s that wants it to be more complete is different(IE: when I got my alt's chapeau over someone who couldn't name the last time they were on RDM in or outside ls events).

If you can agree there should be exceptions to situations like this and there are situations where it's better to actually help people get the major improvements they need over the minor ones you need then I take it back about you being greedy. I obviously don't know anything about you either and how you handle things but in a game like this most of us can afford being a bit socialist.

It's not the exact fucking thing I said initially but you had your head so far up your ass you couldn't even see it.

I would agree if someone has put in vastly more work then the next person obviously you shouldn't bend over backwards for the lazy twat. As you said shit's situational but we're looking at 2 different scenarios and most likely we'll agree to disagree because I think point systems have there flaws just like any other system.

I even agreed that if someone is a lazy person that doesn't contribute at all you definitely wouldn't have any reason to feel bad about lotting over them.

After that you decided to just turn into a whiny bitch even though I only directly referred to you seriously as greedy 2-3 times.

Examples of you whining:

Whiny story about getting screwed by a GM

I'm convinced you're a fucking retard now...utterly convinced.

blah blah.. yet I'm still greedy. cry cry.. You're a fucking moron, get bent.

I hate to rub Thorny's cock on this, but I'm using it because its justified: My mule...sorry, my secondary account > your main.

more whining about GMs...
But you're right, I'm greedy, and it was my fault.

You are a retard.

Something about how you only lot over people who don't go to city runs.

PLEASE counter this above rebuttal, I'd LOVE to see you pull this one off, without just going "LOLURGREEDY".

You have no counterargument, you know you can say nothing to refute what I've said, so you're just falling to "you're an idiot, you're greedy". Face it.

You're greedy and stupid

(HOLY FUCK I HAD A GIRLFRIEND BUT IM GREEDY)

Next time try fucking comprehending the point. Just because you're agreeing with what the majority says on one thing doesn't automatically make everything you say correct.

[NynJa]

lol, you're getting too worked up...I'd offer you some calming meds, but I'm greedy

[Horadrius]

if someone wants to lot gear on two different accounts, then they won't ever be in an LS I am running ever again. It's not worth the hassle / emo / QQ.

:D :D :D :D :D :D

IE: when I got my alt's chapeau over [Horadrius] who couldn't name the last time they were on RDM in or outside ls events.

:D :D :D :D :D :D

[Thorny]

No clue what you're trying to say, since you have a chapeau and didn't even do anything on RDM between pet getting it and you getting it..

The only things I've taken over other people are that hat(and I let you lot) and some SMN trash over people without summoning skill. If you have a serious problem with it, you should probably talk to me about it because I haven't gotten any complaints.

Like I said before, some people will think it's ok from an efficiency standpoint, others look at it as universally unfair because not everyone has a 2box or can play one decently. Not much argument will convince those against it that it's worth it, or those that do it that it isn't.

If you don't recieve bonuses corresponding to the additional effort, stop 2boxing. If your LS's events drastically suffer, ask your leader again. If they don't, you probably have enough people/suck at 2boxing enough that you don't really deserve shit for standing around on two chars anyway as it's not helping your linkshell.

[NynJa]

Like I said before, some people will think it's ok from an efficiency standpoint, others look at it as universally unfair because not everyone has a 2box or can play one decently.

Yanno, if people complain that "I cant 2box, its not fair"...then why should it be fair that the bum who lives in mommies basement playing FFXI 18 hours a day should have lotting priority over someone else who actually has a job, a gf, etc and only plays about 6 hours a day? Its not fair that someone who had to go to work be deemed inferior.
Right?

[Thorny]

Yanno, if people complain that "I cant 2box, its not fair"...then why should it be fair that the bum who lives in mommies basement playing FFXI 18 hours a day should have lotting priority over someone else who actually has a job, a gf, etc and only plays about 6 hours a day? Its not fair that someone who had to go to work be deemed inferior.
Right?

I said other people look at it like that. I'm not one of them.

[D44kpunk]

I believe people that box should get 5x the DKP.

[NynJa]

I said other people look at it like that. I'm not one of them.

I know >.>
I was further elaborating on your point.

[Thorny]

I know >.>
I was further elaborating on your point.

Fair enough. That is a rather good example.

[Horadrius]

No problems just though it would be funny to post here though my judgment was fairly impaired at the time.

[NynJa]

Fair enough. That is a rather good example.

It's actually a stretch, but then again so is "I cant 2box". Unless youre on ps2/3 or xbox or you have an ancient piece of shit, theres no reason not to be able to 2box. Then again, everyone owns a laptop these days, so once again, no reason...


The biggest factor imo in regards to all this is "is your LS asking you to 2box or are you 2boxing on your own accord", and I allready covered this. If they're asking you to do something, you should be compensated for your extra efforts. If you're doing it on your own accord, they dont really owe you anything, theyre not asking for it.

[Dooom]

It's actually a stretch, but then again so is "I cant 2box". Unless youre on ps2/3 or xbox or you have an ancient piece of shit, theres no reason not to be able to 2box. Then again, everyone owns a laptop these days, so once again, no reason...

Or unless they, y'know, don't actually have access to a second account.

[NynJa]

Thats not that they cant 2box, they simply dont want to. Everyone I know has handmedownIquit accounts, even the "I'm a casual player" people. Myself, as well as a friend of mine, leveled chars from scratch.