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  1. #1461
    Pens win! Pens Win!!! PENS WIN!!!!!
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    I think the point is, PD helps, but its not 100% why you can beat it now. 80 is a factor.

    Off the top of my head, having Sekkanoki is prob a good reason too.

  2. #1462
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    Did I cite it as the magical catalyst? I just said that lv80's without PD probably cant kill it either.


    proof of 75's beating it? And dont be a fucking retard digging up drkzerg pics, you know what I mean.

  3. #1463
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    This discussion is stupid as fuck.

    Honestly, I feel it was killable at 75 with PD. I never personally tried, and not to bash on other shells, but top shells are still failing 3+ times in a row at 80, perhaps the same ones that tried at 75. Would it be harder at 75? Of course, but I still think it was entirely doable with a small bit of luck and 2 PDs per party.

    Also, I feel it's killable at 80 without PD, though it'd be flat out stupid to risk it and try, but we've definitely had a couple kills where PD literally did close to nothing for us, looking through logs.

  4. #1464
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    lol

    You really shouldn't make Apathy references, they're just your average event shell now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorny View Post
    Honestly, I'm gonna guess your a numbers recruit
    This made me smile

  6. #1466
    But I don't want my title changed
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    The amount of jealousy in this thread is AMAZING

    inb4 NAW BRA IM NOT JEALOUS ITS JUST AVERAGE SHIT BRO

  7. #1467
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    All zergs aren't massively gear dependant since you will cap haste using swift belt and full perle with a properly optimized alliance. AV zerg now involves much more in terms of execution than previous zergs did, but it is by no means complex. The use of vent and the optimal alliance setup contributed far more to resonance's kills than our DD's gear.

    That said, a lot of linkshells who have attempted and failed at this are using a less than optimal alliance setup and probably leave a lot to be desired in terms of execution.

  8. #1468
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baelorn View Post
    Coming from a guy who has spent hours per day belittling people for wearing average auction house gear this has to be the funniest thing I have ever read.
    You really don't read my posts, do you? I belittle bad choices, not poorness.. the difference is that one is easily remedied, requiring only minor intelligence, while the other requires time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynja
    proof of 75's beating it? And dont be a fucking retard digging up drkzerg pics, you know what I mean.
    It didn't happen because it wasn't coordinated well enough. It was still entirely possible.. the same group at level 75 needs to pull 16% damage through optimization to win vs level 80 since the only major difference is lvcorrect. It's not some massive insurmountable sum.. but it would require mostly relic DD, while 80 requires nothing special beyond organization.

  9. #1469
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    This really is some stupid shit. AV was killable at 75 with PD, this isn't news. Poor execution, shit leadership, and the only shells large enough to have taken on the task being full of relic DDs wearing askar hands and feet are not part of the difficulty of zerging AV with PD, they're part of the problem that is the fact that most large shells are 95% filler (where filler is defined as 13 year olds with 2 or more x's in their name).

    20 filler, 4 intelligent players, and 2 leaders didn't cut it at 75, it works at 80. Doesn't mean AV wasn't killable just means that to be killed at 75 you need to get Despain to recruit some of his rl friends to the game or convince intelligent people who don't want to camp HNM that shells with 25+ members are a really good idea.

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    We didnt bother to try it at 75 because, as most people probably thought, 80 was just around the corner. But I'm pretty sure we could have taken it with our current strategy at 75, we just never tried. Over 80%(?) of our AVs have died at or before PD wears, at 75 we would have spilled over into the 2nd PD.

    And there is still part of the strategy that people ignore/dont understand, but that wont be discussed yet.

  11. #1471
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    No guys, its impossible, Nynja says so ok?

  12. #1472
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    Could always sync to 75 and see if its doable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jornna View Post
    Could always sync to 75 and see if its doable!
    Inb4 someone tells me I should be happy my Amano no longer works at 75.

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    This.

  16. #1476
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    next threat title must be "I AM VIV" because Rocl said it was to be so

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    /rerail

    http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...ma/Lunaris.jpg

    Also got a Cerb hide off the same Skoll.

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    Needs more AV drops. And a level synch wouldnt work because any brds you swap in would instantly lose buffs including 2h so you'd be fucked.

  19. #1479
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khajit View Post
    Needs more AV drops. And a level synch wouldnt work because any brds you swap in would instantly lose buffs including 2h so you'd be fucked.
    We figured it was silly/tacky to post a ton of AV drop pools, up to 11 kills though. We'll post if we get a full drop!

  20. #1480
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    It would be semi tacky but not I find the last page or so more annoying than flaunting AV drops will ever be. At least in the middle of the penis waving i got a tiny bit of info about your strats.

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