the beginning of the BigXII-2

[Mizango]

I thought I heard / read somewhere that ND would make more in the Big 10?

Its a moot point, they are too bitch to step into the thunderdome with Purdue. Brees, Orton, Painter and Elliot all owned the Irish, why would you want that tradition to continue? Plus they wont have access to bought off refs to throw those flags as they try to march 80 yards on the last drive of the game.

[tyven]

I thought I heard / read somewhere that ND would make more in the Big 10?

I have heard the same but Miz is right. They need the black athlete if they hope to compete

[Foras]

oh shit, lol

[Stiker]

Its a moot point, they are too bitch to step into the thunderdome with Purdue. Brees, Orton, Painter and Elliot all owned the Irish, why would you want that tradition to continue? Plus they wont have access to bought off refs to throw those flags as they try to march 80 yards on the last drive of the game.

You mean the Big 10 refs that officiated that game?

In all seriousness, ND likely isn't going anywhere as long as the Big East stays intact. The only reason they'd have to change is if the BCS restructures in such a way that they'd force ND into a conference to be post-season eligible.

Hate on the independence all you want, but now that we don't have a POS AD making the schedule, things are getting a lot better on the scheduling front. We have a home and home with OU and are close to reviving the ND/Miami series. All the while still playing our regional Big 10 rivals, USC, and now Boston College as well annually.

More truth: ND is still one of the few teams left to never schedule a 1AA/FCS team ever.

Edit: Left it out, but as I said earlier all conference TV deals are eclipsing ND's current ND contract. I really don't see money as a deciding factor on any of this for ND though.

[Callisto]

Aren't there already like 14 teams in the Big10 now?

[Stiker]

Aren't there already like 14 teams in the Big10 now?

12, they are the new Big XII lol

[Abandon]

ROY, YOU YELLOW SLANT LOOKING FATLIFF WANNABE FAGTARD, DON'T YOU START THIS SHIT, YOU ME AND JESS JUST HAD THIS FUCKING TALK. DON'T YOU FUCKING DO IT

[Vagrant]

nah son

notre dame doesn't have to split tv revenue with anyone, plus how would they have a winning record if they couldnt play army, navy, boston college, and purdue?

Very easily seeing as how they tend to lose three of those four games more often than not now.

[Abandon]

huzzah Navy, etc

[Byrd]

I simply dont see the point in a 16 team conference for the Pac-10. They're just gonna water themselves down so much, and can only still send at most 2 teams to the BCS. Mountain West benefits almost as much as the Big 10, cause they can now add 2-3 teams from the Big XII and exert their spot as a BCS conference.

It's all about money. Academics, geography, non-football sports are all secondary or tertiary concerns. The reason that the Big 10 and SEC are so financially appealing right now is their TV contracts. Amongst the other conferences, the Pac-10 has a big advantage because their TV contract is coming up for renewal after the 2011 season (maybe it's 2012). The Big 12 is at a disadvantage for a number of reasons, notably their TV contract and the fact that the revenue distribution is unequal, which largely favors Texas. Many Big 12 schools, including Colorado (90% sure, could be wrong) made less last year than any Pac-10 school. Colorado gets an equal share in the Pac-10, which presumably will be quite a bit more than they do currently in the Big 12, due to a new TV contract and the addition of a Pac-10 championship game.

With 16 teams including Texas, the Pac-10 will have a huge portion of the nation's TV markets, and can form their own network. Their new commissioner has been working with Fox to make sure this is doable, and it's pretty clear having their own network including Texas gives them a licence to print money.

11 team conference gets the Pac10 nowhere, just like the Big10 back when it got Penn St.
Obviously something else in the works there.

The lynchpin to the Pac-10 expansion is Texas; if they don't come, neither will TT, TA&M, Ok & Ok St. If Texas does come, they will all come. Colorado presumably jumped early because of all the political posturing going on in Texas to keep Baylor with the other three state schools. If they didn't go, they had the potential to be left in the lurch with Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Missouri. By joining the Pac-10 (which has long been considered a good academic and cultural fit by Colorado), they were guaranteeing being in a BCS conference one way or another. If Texas & co. don't come to the Pac-10, I would imagine Larry Scott's back up plan will be to invite Utah and stop at 12. The addition of a championship game should offset some or all of the revenue loss absorbed by dividing the pie an additional two ways.

If they only lost Colorado (done deal) and Nebraska (likely), the Big 12 would probably look at expansion to get back to 12, but wouldn't necessarily have to. If they did, teams out of their current TV markets make more sense than a school like TCU, which makes only geographic sense but would add very little TV sets, as the Dallas market is already owned by the Big 12. BYU would seem like the most obvious choice to join the Big 12, with Memphis, New Mexico, Colorado State, Boise State and TCU getting consideration. Probably missing some.

If the Big 12 disentigrates, I'll be curious to see what Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, Iowa State and Missouri do. Missouri might well get a Big 10 invite, but the others are probably out in the cold. If you add those 4-5 teams to the Mountain West, though, that becomes a conference that probably should have a BCS berth. Alternatively, the remaining 5 teams in the Big 12 could raid the Mountain West for their best teams (Utah, BYU, TCU, New Mexico, etc.), inviting a couple of others (Boise State? Memphis? Houston?), and maintaining the Big 12. I think that might let them keep their automatic BCS berth, at least for a couple of years. I'm not sure how that works exactly.

Who knows what is going to happen for sure, though? Other than Colorado joining the Pac-10, everything else is at best "Strong Rumors."

[Diamicles]

The Missouri board of curators met today, and discussed the conference shuffling...the only real statement that they made so far is that the Big10 hasn't officially extended an invitation yet.

[Mizango]

ROY, YOU YELLOW SLANT LOOKING FATLIFF WANNABE FAGTARD, DON'T YOU START THIS SHIT, YOU ME AND JESS JUST HAD THIS FUCKING TALK. DON'T YOU FUCKING DO IT

lol couldn't resist, its just soooo easy.

[Mizango]

I have heard the same but Miz is right. They need the black athlete if they hope to compete

Preach.

You mean the Big 10 refs that officiated that game?

In all seriousness, ND likely isn't going anywhere as long as the Big East stays intact. The only reason they'd have to change is if the BCS restructures in such a way that they'd force ND into a conference to be post-season eligible.

Hate on the independence all you want, but now that we don't have a POS AD making the schedule, things are getting a lot better on the scheduling front. We have a home and home with OU and are close to reviving the ND/Miami series. All the while still playing our regional Big 10 rivals, USC, and now Boston College as well annually.

More truth: ND is still one of the few teams left to never schedule a 1AA/FCS team ever.

Edit: Left it out, but as I said earlier all conference TV deals are eclipsing ND's current ND contract. I really don't see money as a deciding factor on any of this for ND though.

Also this, rivalry aside I have to give the Irish props for everything posted above, I just have to give Striker shit because he is rival number one. Those ND and Purdue battles are epic as all shit though.

[Arvin]

The movements to different conferences are always nice, you get to see new competition. New teams playing each other is always a positive

[Abandon]

the gloves are coming off. I'm going to buy an orton jersey and go have fun with it.

[Mizango]

the gloves are coming off. I'm going to buy an orton jersey and go have fun with it.

lol no need to go that route, lets settle this like gentlemen. Then again it would be easy if I could actually find a UT player with an NFL jersey that wasn't converted into a bargain bin cum rag. Seeing as how they can barely keep up with the demand of Orton and Joey Elliott jerseys that's just not fair.

[Stiker]

Well if this happens, I will be shocked...I'm calling bullshit for now though (especially since the report is from a jilted Missouri): http://www.kctv5.com/sports/23860558/detail.html

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- High level sources in multiple conferences have told KCTV5 that Texas and Texas A&M are looking to move to the Big Ten Conference and have petitioned for membership, while the University of Oklahoma is planning on petitioning the Southeastern Conference to become a member of its conference.

KCTV5's sources said that Texas and Texas A&M do not have to include Texas Tech or Baylor in their plans. Sources told KCTV5 that there have already been discussions about the two schools entering the Big Ten and that the agreement could be made as soon as Thursday.Oklahoma is currently working on petitioning to enter the SEC, but must find another university to enter the league with them, sources said. TMZ Sports has reported that Oklahoma State is likely to accept a bid to move to the Pac-10. Earlier Thursday, Colorado accepted an invitation to join the Big 12.

KCTV5's sources also said that some Big 12 officials are saying decisions on which deals Big 12 schools take invitations by the end of the day Thursday, although the deals may not be officially announced. Big 12 officials also tell KCTV5's sources that some Big 12 office employees are planning to be without a job within weeks.

Those decisions would leave the University of Kansas, Kansas State University and the University of Missouri with Baylor, Texas Tech and Iowa State in the Big 12. The Missouri Board

[Diamicles]

The movements to different conferences are always nice, you get to see new competition. New teams playing each other is always a positive

losses of annual conference rivalries suck though. colorado v. nebraska hasnt been a great rivalry lately, but there is tons of history there.

[Mizango]

OH HO HO. Texas wants no part of that conference. Im with you on this one Striker, Im calling bullshit on this one.

[Diamicles]

Well if this happens, I will be shocked...I'm calling bullshit for now though (especially since the report is from a jilted Missouri):

Sounds way off from everthing thats been discussed so far. plus, KC is much closer to Lawrence KS than Columbia.

but yes, I'd agree with the bullshit call. TX/TAMU would be much better off, and much more competitive in the Pac10.

edit: and I don't think Oklahoma wants any part of the SEC.