Exceed Your Limits: Level Cap to Be Lifted! (06/11/2010)

[Spider-Dan]

I think it would follow common sense that merit mode would continue be available at lv.75.

Oh, I agree that that's the most likely scenario, by far.

I just object to someone throwing out, "maybe you won't be able to go into merit mode unless you're at the new cap" like it's no big deal, when such a change would have major, drastic effects; it would either break the game for everyone under the cap (on every cap raise, as well), or it would create a convoluted system of merits-gained-before-update (which are available at LV75+) and merits-gained-after-update (which are available only at whatever the current cap is).

[KoD]

Thow this doesn't mean it will happen but if i do remember correctly SE did state at the fanfest:
That merits system will stay in place and once players reach the level 99cap there will be a new system inplaced simuler to merits,
^my way of wrighting it

Based on that i'd diffently assume that we'll beable to merit w/e we want during our level incrase from 76-80-90-99.

[Priran]

I just object to someone throwing out, "maybe you won't be able to go into merit mode unless you're at the new cap" like it's no big deal, when such a change would have major, drastic effects

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This just in: Anything in FFXI is a "big deal" with "major, drastic effects".

Chill the fuck out, you hyperbolic cunt. No one has touched your precious birds.

[Vodou]

This just in: Anything in FFXI is a "big deal" with "major, drastic effects".

Chill the fuck out, you hyperbolic cunt. No one has touched your precious birds.

Take your own advice. No one appears to have agreed with you for 2+ pages, so now you resort to obnoxious name calling.

[Priran]

Take your own advice. No one appears to have agreed with you for 2+ pages, so now you resort to obnoxious name calling.

I don't care if anyone agrees with me because this isn't some sort of democratic vote on what actually happens to the merit system, it's baseless speculation. This is BG, if there weren't a bunch of people having rl panic attacks over the thought of being forcefully evicted from Greater Colibri camp it means I'm not explaining myself clearly enough.

Edit: And when I say "baseless" I mean "relatively baseless". I still have more evidence for my speculation (the checks in the level sync system to keep people from staying in a camp permanently without leveling) than anyone disagreeing with me has for theirs (meaningless phrases like "common sense").

[Priran]

My bad; I was presuming that you were attempting to be logically consistent. See, if you can't enter merit mode before LV80, then someone newly leveling a job would not have access to merits until... LV80.

Oh, and I just saw this.

Yeah, keep playing like this is actually what you meant. That explains perfectly why you exclusively brought up Job-specific merits.

[Uzor]

I don't care if anyone agrees with me because this isn't some sort of democratic vote on what actually happens to the merit system, it's baseless speculation. This is BG, if there weren't a bunch of people having rl panic attacks over the thought of being forcefully evicted from Greater Colibri camp it means I'm not explaining myself clearly enough.

Edit: And when I say "baseless" I mean "relatively baseless". I still have more evidence for my speculation (the checks in the level sync system to keep people from staying in a camp permanently without leveling) than anyone disagreeing with me has for theirs (meaningless phrases like "common sense").

I wouldn't say you have more basis for your speculation. Your basis, like theirs, is based on assumptions. Assumptions is not proof, nor is it a good basis. Assumptions are just that, it does not make your speculation any more correct.

imo, I believe it to be more correct to say you will not be locked out of meriting once level cap increase come (as you need to be 75 to get merits). I also think you will not be able to be synch to someone in merit mode in order to stay at 75 merit camps all the way up to 80 or 99. That is not to say, though, that you wouldn't be able to change to merit mode at lvl 77 if you so wish.

[Sho]

I think it would follow common sense that merit mode would continue be available at lv.75.

This. No idea how you're blowing this one up, Priran.

[Baelorn]

This. No idea how you're blowing this one up, Priran.

He's probably just arguing to keep the thread going until the next update notes.

[Limlight]

careful bael he'll turn on you like a rabid dog!

[Shenrien]

So.. what's changed since I went to bed.

...Nothing, k.

I don't see how the concept of them not taking merit mode away is to difficult for Priran to grasp

It's 5 levels, so... if you can't stand having to get to 80 to gain limit points, you can go cry and bitch your way to campaign, if that doesn't satisfy you, find Lv.61 and get a bunch of SAMs and trio box a healer & bard along with yourself and have them carry you to 80 that way.

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[Snprphnx]

All this speculation makes my head hurt. For all we know, it could be better not to enter merit mode at lvl 75, and instead wait till capped at lvl 80. I say this because what if they create a mega-colibri camp, where the mobs don't steal food, an at lvl 80 you can get 50k an hour. Meriting at 80 for 50k > 75 at 25k

again, all this speculation hurtsy head

[Spider-Dan]

Oh, and I just saw this.

Yeah, keep playing like this is actually what you meant. That explains perfectly why you exclusively brought up Job-specific merits.

Dr. Hawking: You (start to) get access to non-job-specific merits at LV10. That's why I said "job-specific merits;" presuming that (again) you were talking about implementing a marginally fair system, everyone would lose access to job-specific merits until they were at the new cap, but because general merits don't require you to be at the cap, you would have kept them.

Of course, you could be talking about also removing general merits from everyone (which would be maximally fair to all players under your retarded hypothetical system) until they have at least one LV80 job, and then unlock them under the old scaling system, but that seems unnecessarily complex...

...particularly when you consider that your entire f*cking line of argument is easily and permanently solved by ALREADY EXISTING RESTRICTIONS. By design, you cannot sync to someone that is not receiving experience points. Someone that is in merit mode is not receiving experience points. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Why are you inventing some ridiculous scenario where people sync to 75 permanently? Why are you propping up draconian new rules to solve a problem that won't even exist?

You aren't using a rocket launcher to kill a mosquito; you're using a rocket launcher to kill a fossilized mosquito.

[Shenrien]

Taking away a players privilege to merit when they want to once they unlock it on a 75+ job, would be like taking away a players relics and telling them they cannot use them until they hit Lv.80, and then forced to repeat the process of it for 85, 90, 95, and 99 if they intend to go that route, which I would assume they would to drag it on as long as possible so they still have content to release once FFXIV comes out and they start to drown out all the annoying screeching noises that FFXI makes.

[Khamsin]

It's 5 levels, so... if you can't stand having to get to 80 to gain limit points, you can go cry and bitch your way to campaign, if that doesn't satisfy you, find Lv.61 and get a bunch of SAMs and trio box a healer & bard along with yourself and have them carry you to 80 that way.

Speaking of campaign, not that it's hard now, but it'll be extremely easy at 99. Wonder if they'll adjust it at all, by the time the cap hits 99. If they do up the difficulty correspondingly, and make 85 the minimum level instead of 61, the 75s with undesirable merit jobs will probably complain that their favorite method of levelling got taken away.

Though if they do leave Campaign as is, and let level 99s wreak their havoc, the next full expansion's beseiged/campaign system will probably be catered to 99s.

[Draylo]

Campaign is gonna be hell... that shit is already crowded as it is.

[Vodou]

Speaking of campaign, not that it's hard now, but it'll be extremely easy at 99. Wonder if they'll adjust it at all, by the time the cap hits 99. If they do up the difficulty correspondingly, and make 85 the minimum level instead of 61, the 75s with undesirable merit jobs will probably complain that their favorite method of levelling got taken away.

Though if they do leave Campaign as is, and let level 99s wreak their havoc, the next full expansion's beseiged/campaign system will probably be catered to 99s.

A good question...

Leaving as is will not work obviously. Assuming SE recognizes this issue, I assume they'll have alternate ways for people to solo reasonably well.

[Draylo]

Well they could just give the mobs a massive amount of HP so that the fights stay as long as they are now or even longer for more points.

[Rowe]

I suppose they could have 3 tiers of campaign, increase the difficulty of the north lands and beastmen strongholds so they are appropriate for 99s, increase the mid-zones/ones outside Jeuno so they are better for 85 to low 90s and leave the zones outside the 3 cities as they are.

Campaign in a zone too low for your level and get crap reward exp and allied notes.

[Narol]

Simple solution vary the size of waves. Yes, you'll still get assholes tanking entire waves at once, but anyone with any kind of damage-dealing capacity can grab hate off a guy.

Also implement some kind of deaggro/rage/something when you get too far away from the forts. Fuck. Nothing about campaign pisses me off more than some asshole PLD off in the middle of bumfuck nowhere soloing a mob or two to death for 15 minutes after everything else is dead.