Sports Buffs: Your All-Time Teams for various sports.

[Mizango]

Why is Schilling up there with Cal and Griffey? I didn't realize everyone liked Curt Schilling. Seems like a giant douchebag to me.

No you're right, fuck Schilling and his ketchup stained sock.

Lynn Dickey qb
Darren Sproles rb
Rock Cartwright fb
Ayo Saba at rb in big set
Quincy Morgan wr1
James Terry wr2
Jordy Nelson slot
Taco Wallace in 4 wide
Shad Meier TE
Nick Leckey LG
Damion McIntosh LT
Jeromey Clary C
Jon Doty RT
Rian Lilja RG


Terrence Newman CB
Jeremetrius Butler CB
Jon McGraw SS
Rashad Washington FS
Ben Leber sLB
Terry Pierce mLB
Josh Buhl mLB
Gary Spani mLB
Mark Simoneau mLB (damn straight I got 4 mlb in a 4-3)
Monty Beisel wLB
Darren Howard LE
Tank Reese DT
Mario Fatafehi DT
Ian Campbell RE

PR: Terrence Newman
KR: David Allen
P: Sean Snyder
K: Martin Gramatica

fuck yeah

wut u did thar, i c it

[Mizango]

Also, needs more Andre Dawson and Dave Martinez.

[Coyohma]

Yeah.. I put Mays out there in CF mostly for fielding. I figured I was going 'best all around' and not 'best at scoring 20 runs'.

Mays vs Mantle is a pretty typical case of peak vs longevity. It's an interesting debate, since both started in '51, played the same position, and are both all-time greats.

Mantle was clearly faster, though Mays stole more bases.. Mantle was clearly stronger, though Mays had more career HR. Defensively, Mantle's speed allowed for impressive range, but there's no questioning Mays was the more natural/better CF.

They had the same career .557 SLG, though because Mantle walked more, his .421 OBP is noticably higher than the .384 Mays had. Mays did strike out less often, though.

People rarely talk postseason with baseball, but you can give the edge to Mantle there. Mays won 1 WS, and was .247 AVG, .323 OBP, .337 SLG with just one HR in 89 AB. Mantle won 7 WS (granted, he was on better teams, and in a couple he didn't play much), but he was .257 AVG, .374 OBP, .535 SLG. His 18 HRs are a World Series record (along with a bunch of other stats), and iirc it's by a pretty big margin.

You can't go wrong here, but if I had to choose, I'd go with Mantle. Even when he was riddled with injuries and drank like a fish, he was still a wash with Mays. Hopefully, if he got to play his career again, this time around he wouldn't wreck his knee as a rookie, getting his spikes stuck in a drainpipe (ironically it was hit by Willie Mays...).

I actually found a picture of it:

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...kneeinjury.jpg

[Diamicles]

sure is baseball in here

[Headspace]

F: Charlie Conway
F: Adam Banks
F: Guy Germaine
F: Lester Averman
F: Dwayne Robertson
F: Jesse Hall
F: Ken Wu
F: Connie Moreau
F: Luis Mendoza

D: Dean Portman
D: Fulton Reed
D: Russ Tyler

G: Greg Goldberg
G: Julie Gaffney

Coach: Bombay

[tyven]

which one does the knuckle puck

[Arvin]

the ugly angry guy

[Headspace]

The only black guy to ever play hockey.

[Trichocyst]

Pete Rose was an amazing baseball player and absolutely deserves to be in the hall of fame, but he's not going to make the all time 25 man roster. He had a great career, but breaking the hits record had a lot more to do with durability than talent. It doesn't help that you pretty have to compare him to Ty Cobb who is in the argument for best position player of all time. Rose had 3000 more at bats than Cobb (managing about 80 more hits total) while batting .303 for his lifetime to Cobb's unreal .366. If he had simply come clean and called himself a gambling addict he'd be a hall of famer.

I left Nolan Ryan off because the guy was so consistently inconsistent compared to most of the all time greatest pitchers. Sure, he's got the career record for strikeouts, but he also has the career record for walks by almost the same margin. He was such an absurdly durable power pitcher, but it was all feast or famine. Compared to Adam Eaton, he's a golden god, but compared to the greatest of all time, I think he comes up short. I'd probably take Steve Carlton before Ryan, but that probably makes me sound biased.

[Eckskalibur]

L Pavel Datsyuk
C Steve Yzerman
R Gordie Howe

L Sidney Crosby (ugh).
C Mario Lemieux
R Jaromir Jagr

L Alexander Ovechkin
C Wayne Gretzky
R Mark Messier

L Joe Sakic
C Peter Forsberg
R Brett Hull


D Niklas Lidstrom
D Paul Coffey

D Bobby Orr
D Chris Chelios

D Al Macinnis
D Chris Pronger


G Patrick Roy
G Martin Brodeur
G Dominic Hasek

[Mizango]

The only black guy to ever play hockey.

Manute Bol?

[Akiyama]

Pete Rose was an amazing baseball player and absolutely deserves to be in the hall of fame, but he's not going to make the all time 25 man roster. He had a great career, but breaking the hits record had a lot more to do with durability than talent. It doesn't help that you pretty have to compare him to Ty Cobb who is in the argument for best position player of all time. Rose had 3000 more at bats than Cobb (managing about 80 more hits total) while batting .303 for his lifetime to Cobb's unreal .366. If he had simply come clean and called himself a gambling addict he'd be a hall of famer.

I left Nolan Ryan off because the guy was so consistently inconsistent compared to most of the all time greatest pitchers. Sure, he's got the career record for strikeouts, but he also has the career record for walks by almost the same margin. He was such an absurdly durable power pitcher, but it was all feast or famine. Compared to Adam Eaton, he's a golden god, but compared to the greatest of all time, I think he comes up short. I'd probably take Steve Carlton before Ryan, but that probably makes me sound biased.

Nah, not biased. That's the problem with 'all-time' teams. You're forced to leave off a ton of greats. I wanted to put Ted Williams in there, and couldn't. Sure I could've gone with Ty Cobb, but I didn't want to use all the roster spots on the 'old timers' yanno? So that's why I went with Pete Rose. That and toughness on a team is really important, and who else would completely break a catcher at an all-star game?

As far as Nolan Ryan, I used him just because he's a fun pitcher to watch. He may go in, give up like 5 runs super fast, or he may throw another no-hitter and strike out 20 guys. Just never know.

So I guess my 'all-time' team was more of an 'all-time, and wanna watch' team.

[Mizango]

Man Charlie Hustle would truck your grandmama if he could, fuck the haters, Rose 4 lyfe.

[Akiyama]

edit: I'm awesome

[barber2006]

I can't find it now (was bookmarked on my old computer), but some guy went back and tracked every at bat Ted Williams had at home (Fenway) and charted out how many additional home runs he would have had if he had played his home games at Yankee stadium. It was really ridiculous. Either 89 or 91 additional home runs (I just remember it was one away from 90). He also lost an additional 100 home runs at least from being in the war during 43', 44', and 45'. He would have been 24-26 years old during that time. In the two years prior and two years after his service he averaged 37 homeruns.

Playing away from the terrible hitters park Fenway was for dead pull lefties and not voluntarily going to war for his country he very easily could have 700+ homeruns. He already has the best on base percentage ever, nearly reaching base 1 out of every 2 times and is second only to Babe Ruth in OPS. Guy was a monster and just can't be left off any list.


As far as the Babe is concerned......best slugging percentage and OPS ever and he did it when the second best HR hitters were hitting 11 home runs a year. That wasn't just because they sucked. Some of those old parks were just mammoth. A hand made baseball that didn't travel as far as today's balls. A higher pitchers mound. The deck was stacked against the guy and he dominated in a way that nobody can touch since. There were years he was outhomering every team in baseball other than a couple. Pujols would have to hit 150 homeruns now to match that.

[Akiyama]

What I love is people trying to compare Babe Ruth in his era to the hitters of this era. Some of these talking heads don't get that the two eras are really that much different. Great thoughts about the Babe though, barber. He was one of the greatest ball players for a reason.

As far as Ted Williams, that's a good point. Dude was a beast. That's why no one will ever break that hitting streak of his in the Majors. No one was a better hitter than Ted Williams imo. Not saying power and all that, but just a hitter.

[Sepukku]

L Pavel Datsyuk

G Martin Brodeur

What? Terrible selections. Martin Brodeur's stats were a product of the system he played in, the only stat I give him credit on is the Wins just got the longevity he's had - up until his elbow injury last year he never ever got hurt and at 38 no one's even speculating that he should/might/will retire. Look at the pukestorm he had at the Olympics without his precious Jacques Lemaire wall in front of him.

And Pavel Datsyuk? One of the twelve best forwards ever? uhhhhhhh........ here are some people you put Datsyuk ahead of:

Maurice Richard
Bobby Clarke
Brian Trottier + Mike Bossy
Phil Esposito
Teemu Selanne
Pavel Bure
Jari Kurri

I get you were trying to make lines all from a team with the Red Wings and Penguins, but why not put Kurri with Messier/Gretzky and bump AO up with Yzerman and Howe, as insulting as that is to those 2? That way you'd still have 2 lines from specific teams, just the Oilers+Pens instead of Red Wings and Pens.

[Bregor]

And Pavel Datsyuk? One of the twelve best forwards ever? uhhhhhhh........ here are some people you put Datsyuk ahead of:

Maurice Richard
Bobby Clarke
Brian Trottier + Mike Bossy
Phil Esposito
Teemu Selanne
Pavel Bure
Jari Kurri

^ Marcel fucking Dionne man. Most underrated star in hockey, just had the unfortunate timing to have his best years during Gretzkymania.

[Sepukku]

^ Marcel fucking Dionne man. Most underrated star in hockey, just had the unfortunate timing to have his best years during Gretzkymania.

Marcel Dionne's omission aside, it still doesn't make it okay for him to even jokingly place Datsyuk on a list of the best forwards to ever play the game. He's just barely in the debate for best 12 forwards PLAYING RIGHT NOW - he'd certainly not make the top half of the current 12.

[Bregor]

Marcel Dionne's omission aside, it still doesn't make it okay for him to even jokingly place Datsyuk on a list of the best forwards to ever play the game. He's just barely in the debate for best 12 forwards PLAYING RIGHT NOW - he'd certainly not make the top half of the current 12.

Gotta agree with you there. Brodeur is also not the best selection in the world.

Okay, baseball time.

C: Johnny Bench
1B: Lou Gehrig
2B: Rogers Hornsby
SS: Ernie Banks
3B: Mike Schmidt
LF: Ted Williams
CF: Ty Cobb
RF: Babe Ruth
DH: Barry Bonds

Bench: Jimmie Foxx
Bench: Willie Mays
Bench: Rickey Henderson
Bench: Alex Rodriguez
Bench: Yogi Berra

SP: Cy Young
SP: Walter Johnson
SP: Randy Johnson
SP: Steve Carlton
SP: Roger Clemens

Long: Greg Maddux
RP: Pedro Martinez
RP: Sandy Koufax
Setup: Dennis Eckersley
Setup: Billy Wagner (needed a lefty)
Closer: Mariano Rivera