Watch your back black whores!

[Plow]

damn ominous black whores... gotta watch dey backs

[Flarega]

This should be a non issue since black people never graduate from school anyway.

[Minions]

This should be a non issue since black people never graduate from school anyway.

oh snap.

[Max™]

Now THAT should have been posted way earlier in the thread, I am very disappoint.

[pahnphoenix]

Since I don't want to disappoint...

Have you ever heard of the concept of talking to the level of your audience?

Notice that I used the "sound", not phoneme, phone, or allophone. This is called a simplification, in which I recognize that 99% of this board doesn't have a fucking clue about most linguistic jargon, and thus I avoid using it.

What you said is correct, but is actually irrelevant, but saying what I said is incorrect, is incorrect.

"Sound" is a broad term, in my use of it, I was describing that they were both alvelar approximants, and due to the air structure and tongue placement these two are frequently used interchangeably in most languages because of the technical aspects of simply mis-speaking them frequently, and why people, even in a language that does distinguish them, often make this mistake well listening...

KINDA LIKE THE TOPIC OF THIS POST.

Take a large number of speech samples and you'll see this even in English.

But because I'm not an asshole, I decided not to be that specific.

I appreciate the fact that you took a linguistic intro course, or can read wikipedia, and want to flex some knowledge, and really wanted to call me out on a "mistake", but that's a no go.

p.s. google "are l and r the same phone?" for all you ever need to know on this topic.

Spoiler: show

I probably would of been nicer, but I have to keep up appearances

i won't bother being nice and just say that my correcting you doesn't imply that my linguistics knowledge is limited to google, and also tell you to go fuck yourself. L and R are not the "same sound" no matter how you mean it. need an explanation? see my earlier post. you can convince morons on this board that you know something by mentioning the parts of the mouth that make sounds, but unfortunately i am better than you at capturing what is relevant to a conversation. arguing with me is probably a losing prospect for you.

should we take out our dicks and start saying where we studied linguistics? want me to post some irrelevant logical proofs to get some barely literate spectators to tell you that you were owned?

i'm tired. i like what i wrote above, so i won't change it, but i'll try a pass at niceness. you think my post is irrelevant... because you said (and don't give me any fucking idiot "don't put words in my mouth" b/c this was the point of what you said) "the confusion under discussion isn't so far fetched because L and R are the same sound." but the latter part of that is simply false, whether you talk down to your audience or you go over their head (and notice, in the post i linked--which i doubt you read--i pretty much explain the concept of allophones/phonemes, and link to some wiki action for any reader that wants/needs more; can you follow along well enough to see what part of your post i'm criticizing by pointing this out to you?). L and R are *not* the same sound. they aren't made the same way, they don't sound the same.

"but people often perceive one for the other!" yes, see the discussion about allophones. see the alla post i linked. i can't generally hear the difference between an aspirated or non-aspirated K, especially if i'm not listening for it. know why? because they're allophones of the same phoneme in english. the phonology stuff affects production and perception. it does not make L and R the same sound. nothing does that. why? again, because they *aren't* the same sound, no more than K and G are the same sound because "they're the same it's JUST that G is voiced and K is not." they're not the same. one is voiced, one isn't.

"but the point is that people often hear one for the other-_-. look at japanese. look at english speakers listening to japanese speakers. MY POST WAS RELEVANT AND YOURS WASN'T. GB2 GOOGLE" people often call me 'milch' on allakhazam, though my name there is 'milich'. it's not because they're the same word (you know, 'word' is such a BROAD term). you postulate a reason why, say, japanese uses L and R interchangeably, BUT THEY DON'T. the sounds are ALLOPHONES. read the alla post. i don't use non-aspirated K and aspirated K interchangeably. if i tried really hard, i could, and no one would get a meaning difference (though chances are native english speakers would think i was talking slightly funny). but i don't. why? because i'm a native english speaker.

why am i explaining this? am i being trolled? the internet is so dangerous nowadays. anyway, no, they are not the same sound, and while i can see mishearing R for L in english, the fact that there's languages where L and R aren't distinct phonemes isn't relevant to that (and it's the closest true thing you can say to "L and R are the same sound"). this "sound is a broad term" business is absurd. what is that about? "play C#" (plays an F#) "hey, i said C#!" "yeah well they're basically the same sound." what?

anyway, since you pointlessly questioned my credentials, if you want to do the dick thing, i'm game. i've been out of school for a couple years though, so maybe i auto-lose that one, who knows. both the place where i minored in linguistics and the place where i did philosophy of language shit afterwards have pretty respectable linguistics departments though, so i can at least eek out 6 inches. if links to barockstar up the currency of the school, tack on a few inches for me.

---

nor,

eh, i already seem to be more of an ass than usual on this board. i'd like to suggest good beer, but i'm afraid i'll start bashing shit that people like and there's no reason to do that, so i'm abstaining.

edit: p.s. i know i'm coming back like days after the argument ended or something, but i'm bored and i'd forgotten i posted in this thread.

[Khamsin]

Now THAT should have been posted way earlier in the thread, I am very disappoint.

I'm pretty sure that had nothing to do with race. She was really throwing a fit, and resisting arrest. Oddly enough, even after she was visibly fighting the officer, the spectators were shouting at him instead of her? Guess they're just sticking up for their friend, I guess.

Perhaps the punch was a bit overboard, but had he tased her, sadly this'd have been just as big of a deal. It was a no-win situation for the officer, but hopefully he managed to get her into the back of his cruiser without further incident.

[Darus Grey]

@Pahnphoenix

U mad?, yeah, I think you are.

Maybe when it occurs to you that we were not even talking about the same thing, you'll realize how dumb that post was, it was "Irrelevant" because you assumed I was talking about something I wasn't(which is a fair mistake since I was being PURPOSEFULLY SIMPLE, but I also clarified myself, and you're still at it).

You're getting a fucking hard-on over allophones and that I didn't know what they were. IGNORING THAT I NEVER FUCKING MENTIONED THEM.

You're still harping on that, even though I specifically mentioned in my clarification, THAT I AM SPEAKING ABOUT THE TECHNICAL FLAWS OF ARTICULATION, with a side-helping of flaws in perception.

We are talking about when the speaker/listen MAKES A MISTAKE, a slip of the tongue, a slip of the ear. Allophones don't even enter into the conversation, did you not learn about that in 400/500/600 level phonetics?

Oh wait...

i minored in linguistics

Listen, I'm sorry I questioned your credentials, since you clearly took *4~* intro classes and not just one, my bad.

You also also made a post on ALLAKHAZAM, this is obviously relevant, we all know that ALLAKHAZAM is the finest in peer-reviewed scholarly journals, and that if I would just read your brilliant weeaboo explaining masterpiece this would all be clear.

Nothing you have said so far has been really wrong, what you fail to grasp is that IS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING. When you read up and have a clue what you're talking about, we can further this conversation, cause the moment I read your post I fucking pegged you as a dude who took a couple courses but was missing the big picture.

tl;dr

Semantics

[pahnphoenix]

@Pahnphoenix

U mad?, yeah, I think you are.

Maybe when it occurs to you that we were not even talking about the same thing, you'll realize how dumb that post was, it was "Irrelevant" because you assumed I was talking about something I wasn't(which is a fair mistake since I was being PURPOSEFULLY SIMPLE, but I also clarified myself, and you're still at it).

You're getting a fucking hard-on over allophones and that I didn't know what they were. IGNORING THAT I NEVER FUCKING MENTIONED THEM.

You're still harping on that, even though I specifically mentioned in my clarification, THAT I AM SPEAKING ABOUT THE TECHNICAL FLAWS OF ARTICULATION, with a side-helping of flaws in perception.

We are talking about when the speaker/listen MAKES A MISTAKE, a slip of the tongue, a slip of the ear. Allophones don't even enter into the conversation, did you not learn about that in 400/500/600 level phonetics?

Oh wait...

Listen, I'm sorry I questioned your credentials, since you clearly took *4~* intro classes and not just one, my bad.

You also also made a post on ALLAKHAZAM, this is obviously relevant, we all know that ALLAKHAZAM is the finest in peer-reviewed scholarly journals, and that if I would just read your brilliant weeaboo explaining masterpiece this would all be clear.

Nothing you have said so far has been really wrong, what you fail to grasp is that IS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING. When you read up and have a clue what you're talking about, we can further this conversation, cause the moment I read your post I fucking pegged you as a dude who took a couple courses but was missing the big picture.

tl;dr

Semantics

yes, i made a post on ALLAKHAZAM, which is obviously relevant if you look at it. no, it doesn't matter where i posted it, yes, its content is relevant because it explains to readers further why allophones are relevant to l/r distinctions (and what allophones are). again, this is relevant, because the only way someone who isn't retarded could think l/r are the same sound would be if they were talking about allophones. someone who is retarded (you) might say "L and R are the same sound because they sound similar," but i tried to give you the benefit of the doubt.

it's no surprise that you "pegged me" on something quickly; you obviously think fast, think you understand something fast, but don't do a very good job. as for further dick waving (where did you go to school again?) i took several grad courses in linguistics while doing philosophy of language at uchicago. but lol grad study at a top school, that's just... well, actually i can't even think what to sarcastically call it, since all that i'm coming up with is "valid credentials".

regardless, my logic study is what's so obviously above yours, since i see that i clearly explained to you your error (L and R are not the same sound), while you think i "don't see the big picture". you've convinced me that you got really far in school given your ability to be specific.

[Darus Grey]

yes, i made a post on ALLAKHAZAM, which is obviously relevant if you look at it.

This is the point where everyone stops taking you seriously.

no, it doesn't matter where i posted it, yes, its content is relevant because it explains to readers further why allophones are relevant to l/r distinctions (and what allophones are). again, this is relevant, because the only way someone who isn't retarded could think l/r are the same sound would be if they were talking about allophones. someone who is retarded (you) might say "L and R are the same sound because they sound similar," but i tried to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I'd clarify for a third time, but you're obviously functionally retarded and can't seem to grasp the concept that WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING THE SAME TOPIC.

Get with the program you fucking moron.

it's no surprise that you "pegged me" on something quickly

You're correct, it's not surprising at all.

i took several grad courses in linguistics while doing philosophy of language at uchicago. but lol grad study at a top school, that's just... well, actually i can't even think what to sarcastically call it, since all that i'm coming up with is "valid credentials".

You can tell he has some knowledge, for the audience, look at his wording, he took "several grad courses", well not specifically affirming he took the one I mentioned, cause he didn't. Which is why he does not have a clue what I'm talking about.

He masks this by claiming he went to a "top school", an appeal to authority, cause he knows he's busted.

Also, for the audience, for those not in the know, most understand that I'm a language fanatic, but even I think a "Philosophy of Language" degree, is a joke, Philosophy of Language is like the dentistry of the greater Linguistic Spectrum, it's what people take when Cognitive Science is "just too hard".

regardless, my logic study is what's so obviously above yours, since i see that i clearly explained to you your error (L and R are not the same sound), while you think i "don't see the big picture". you've convinced me that you got really far in school given your ability to be specific.

Yes, you clearly explained my error, which one was it again? Oh wait, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING YOU STUPID FUCK.

It's like I'm talking about cellphones and you "correct" me with baseball statistics.

[pahnphoenix]

This is the point where everyone stops taking you seriously.



I'd clarify for a third time, but you're obviously functionally retarded and can't seem to grasp the concept that WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING THE SAME TOPIC.

Get with the program you fucking moron.



You're correct, it's not surprising at all.



You can tell he has some knowledge, for the audience, look at his wording, he took "several grad courses", well not specifically affirming he took the one I mentioned, cause he didn't. Which is why he does not have a clue what I'm talking about.

He masks this by claiming he went to a "top school", an appeal to authority, cause he knows he's busted.

Also, for the audience, for those not in the know, most understand that I'm a language fanatic, but even I think a "Philosophy of Language" degree, is a joke, Philosophy of Language is like the dentistry of the greater Linguistic Spectrum, it's what people take when Cognitive Science is "just too hard".



Yes, you clearly explained my error, which one was it again? Oh wait, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING YOU STUPID FUCK.

It's like I'm talking about cellphones and you "correct" me with baseball statistics.

we are talking about the same thing. you said "L and R are the same sound" because you use a magically "broad" definition of the word 'sound'. i explained why that is wrong, and why even when it's almost right (allophones), it's wrong. as for the alla thing, you laughably talk about my "appeal to authority" (read: response to your challenge to my credentials, of which i have very good ones), yet you won't read my post on alla, *as if that one is less worthy because i posted it over there*.

you're a "language fanatic" huh? pretty impressive. i assume you don't want to engage in the dick comparison because you either went to a shit school or didn't study language seriously in the first place. i like the cognitive science / phil of language "stigma" you conjured out of nowhere. is that some local thing at your school or are you just trying to seem like you're "in the know"? there is no stigma on linguistics or formal logic or philosophy of language.

edit: hold on, you're accusing me of *only taking intro courses*? wait a minute. that accusation is so stupid it went by me the first time. i took numerous syntax/semantics seminars, and some other generalized stuff at uconn undergrad and obviously grad seminars during my MA work at uchicago. why in the world would i take like 10+ intro classes? what the fuck kind of stupid accusation is that? is that really what you're accusing me of? i shouldn't have bothered talking to you in the first place.

[Darus Grey]

we are talking about the same thing. you said "L and R are the same sound" because you use a magically "broad" definition of the word 'sound'. i explained why that is wrong, and why even when it's almost right (allophones), it's wrong. as for the alla thing, you laughably talk about my "appeal to authority" (read: response to your challenge to my credentials, of which i have very good ones), yet you won't read my post on alla, *as if that one is less worthy because i posted it over there*

You're finally catching on.

You can harp on the "same sound" thing all you want, I clarified exactly what I meant when I said that, and why I said it.

Just ignoring that isn't scoring you any points, cause if you haven't noticed, I saw right through that ploy.

you're a "language fanatic" huh? pretty impressive. i assume you don't want to engage in the dick comparison because you either went to a shit school or didn't study language seriously in the first place. i like the cognitive science / phil of language "stigma" you conjured out of nowhere. is that some local thing at your school or are you just trying to seem like you're "in the know"? there is no stigma on linguistics or formal logic or philosophy of language.

I don't want to engage in dick comparison because I have something you don't.

Class.

Spoiler: show

I also want to see how far you can bury yourself in this line of reasoning before I blow you out, but it's mostly class

As for the "Stigma"... keep telling yourself that bro, I'm sure every philosophy major thinks the world takes them seriously.

edit:

edit: hold on, you're accusing me of *only taking intro courses*? wait a minute. that accusation is so stupid it went by me the first time. i took numerous syntax/semantics seminars, and some other generalized stuff at uconn undergrad and obviously grad seminars during my MA work at uchicago. why in the world would i take like 10+ intro classes? what the fuck kind of stupid accusation is that? is that really what you're accusing me of? i shouldn't have bothered talking to you in the first place.

You must of missed the part where I quoted you saying you have a minor in linguistics, which is typically 12-18 credits of 100-300 level courses, varying by school, hence "4~ intro classes"

Since we've already established your "fancy" philosophy education hasn't improved your reading comprehension, this will probably fly over your head too, it's okay though, I'm sure there's a seminar for that.

[pahnphoenix]

You're finally catching on.

You can harp on the "same sound" thing all you want, I clarified exactly what I meant when I said that, and why I said it.

Just ignoring that isn't scoring you any points, cause if you haven't noticed, I saw right through that ploy.




I don't want to engage in dick comparison because I have something you don't.

Class.

Spoiler: show

I also want to see how far you can bury yourself in this line of reasoning before I blow you out, but it's mostly class

As for the "Stigma"... keep telling yourself that bro, I'm sure every philosophy major thinks the world takes them seriously.

yeah, "the world" takes any sort of linguistic study seriously.

i get what you're trying to do, challenging my credentials, then having "class" when i display them and ask for yours. i also get ignoring things you can't answer but harping on allakhazam. does this shit always work on this board? ah well.

i'll go one more round and point out that you clarified that you meant L and R are the same sound because they are made by similar physical movements. your homework, mr hardworking language fanatic, is to look up the words 'similar' and 'identical'. compare and contrast.

i know there's no sense in talking to you though. do you always argue like this? i wonder if you actually are in academia. the optimist in me wants to doubt it, since one would hope that academia brings exchange of ideas, critical thinking, etc. however, the realist knows that you probably are a professional student, since status obsessed, petty contrarians like you are normally the ones who excel in the academy. even your childish attempts to belittle me despite my obvious superiority to you are the kind of things that work even in the upper echelons of the liberal arts. oh well again.

so, it was fun. you were sweeter in your first post, but you got mean when you got mad, and your posts only got stupider. i don't like you. i think i'll probably stop talking to you. feel free to post again that i missed your point. need to make sure your bros know that you won this one.

[Darus Grey]

i get what you're trying to do, challenging my credentials, then having "class" when i display them and ask for yours. i also get ignoring things you can't answer but harping on allakhazam. does this shit always work on this board? ah well.

He can learn! It's not a lost cause yet.

What you fail to get, is that my "credentials" are well known around these parts, which is why I'm drawing this out to make you look foolish for hammering on it.

i'll go one more round

I accept this concession of defeat.

and point out that you clarified that you meant L and R are the same sound because they are made by similar physical movements. your homework, mr hardworking language fanatic, is to look up the words 'similar' and 'identical'. compare and contrast.

I'll edit my statement to amend "functionally" if that's really what makes you butthurt, since my clarification of exactly what I meant wasn't enough of a clue.

i know there's no sense in talking to you though. do you always argue like this? i wonder if you actually are in academia. the optimist in me wants to doubt it, since one would hope that academia brings exchange of ideas, critical thinking, etc. however, the realist knows that you probably are a professional student, since status obsessed, petty contrarians like you are normally the ones who excel in the academy. even your childish attempts to belittle me despite my obvious superiority to you are the kind of things that work even in the upper echelons of the liberal arts. oh well again.

lol, your "obvious superiority"... can you guys believe this dude? I'm actually laughing. Though he's pretty close to the mark, I'll give him that much credit.

so, it was fun. you were sweeter in your first post, but you got mean when you got mad

Sorry, called it first. You should learn the difference between "mad" and "dramatic flair", since I purposefully speak in LARGE ANGRY LETTERS, a superior being like yourself should have some appreciation of the fine arts.

[Cyn]

This may be the most boring internet argument in the history of internet arguments.

[pahnphoenix]

you keep mentioning that everyone here knows your credentials... so what? i'm not trying to tear you down in front of your friends. if you were smart enough to listen to me, it would be personal embarrassment i would give you, not necessarily public shame. i want you to feel bad about yourself.

edit: because i really am bored, i'll tip my hand and point out that yes, stupid, the guy who mentions his "obvious superiority" knows a little something about playing fast and loose with sincerity on messageboards, duh. but i do think you're probably not very smart, and if your well-known credentials have something to do with academia, i suspect you either attend or adjunct at some nothing school.

further edit: to aspiring trolls, the only thing in darus's posts that actually annoys me is the part in the very last post that's like, "oh IS THAT what you're harping on!?" where the "that" was EXACTLY AND CONCISELY WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. of course, his weird "throw functionally in front of it" reply was idiotic (yes, L and R are functionally SIMILAR, not the SAME... unless you're speaking a language in which they are allophones of the same phoneme, of course). but the annoying thing is:

concise disagreement, 1 party right 1 party wrong ->
obfuscating dick waving attacks ->
hey guys, back me up, he doesn't even know how awesome i am ->
oh, you're still talking about concise disagreement?

i mean, yeah, i am. that's what we're talking about. this same shit has happened to me like 3 times in the past week.

<person> "hey guys, X."
<pahn> "no, not-X because of Y."
<person> "you don't even understand Z"
<pahn> (flagrant abusive responses, with repeated reference to X thrown in)
<person> (several pages later) "wait, so you're just saying not-X?"
<pahn> "of course... we're not, like, friends you know. it's not like i called you up and was like 'hey, what's up? tell me about your weekend. let's call each other names.' i was talking about X. remember?"
<person> "i can't believe you pettily continued to stay on topic."

and they always do that shit that darus or whatever did with the "you're not staying on topic / don't see big picture" but it's like, <darus> "L and R are the same sound." <pahn> "no they're not, here's why. here's why you might say they are, and why that's not the case." <darus> oh took some intro to linguistics classes huh? <pahn> studied it extensively actually, you? <darus> lol you answered my question. <pahn> sure did. by the way, L and R--what we were talking about, remember? they're distinct. in fact, every native english speaker knows this. <darus> lol ur still talking about L and R? don't you know how awesome the people on this board think i am? <pahn> what?

i mean, it's okay to throw in the trolling and all that. but why always the sideways glance back at relevance, as if you want it to be clear that we had a regular old disagreement (as opposed to oooooo trolling wow) and i was right. why not just stick to trolling?

so, that was your one success. you also got me to write more with it too. so, good work. stay classy hiding your bad education.

[Darus Grey]

you keep mentioning that everyone here knows your credentials... so what?

I mentioned it once, sorry that I "keep" doing it, guess that makes us even.

i'm not trying to tear you down in front of your friends. if you were smart enough to listen to me, it would be personal embarrassment i would give you, not necessarily public shame. i want you to feel bad about yourself.

A drastically superior being like yourself would know how to do this without my cooperation.

edit: because i really am bored, i'll tip my hand and point out that yes, stupid, the guy who mentions his "obvious superiority" knows a little something about playing fast and loose with sincerity on messageboards, duh. but i do think you're probably not very smart, and if your well-known credentials have something to do with academia, i suspect you either attend or adjunct at some nothing school.

I'm insulted you think I'm so easy to bait.

Edit: Edit to lol@ your edit. Brotha is mad like a muthafucka.

[pahnphoenix]

I mentioned it once, sorry that I "keep" doing it, guess that makes us even.

A drastically superior being like yourself would know how to do this without my cooperation.

I'm insulted you think I'm so easy to bait.

Edit: Edit to lol@ your edit.

re: credentials specifically mentioned once, alluded to numerous times. i mentioned my own often as well, which seems pretty relevant considering you openly challenged their existence (as i'm doing to yours).

re: making you feel bad, i have done it already without your cooperation, but you are hiding it.

re: insulted that i think you're easy to bait, i don't even know who the fuck you are. maybe you're easy to bait, i don't know.

re: lol @ edit, you mean the big one? i like the big one, i gave you a literary flourish.

[pahnphoenix]

i'm making a new post to say that i hate this pussy ass troll shit. i know i'm as guilty of it as anyone else, but i'm not a very normal person. i'm not talking assburgerness or obvious superiority or anything like that, i'm just easily amused (by myself), relatively mean, somewhat petty, and pretty unforgivably self-involved. that's all fine, i guess, but trolling...

i mean, look at this argument. it's a perfectly good little disagreement. maybe one of us is right, maybe talking past each other, maybe one is smarter, maybe you can't tell. who cares right? sure, it doesn't matter. but i mean, suppose we are trying to be all academic and hurt each other's feelings (that's kind of the point of academia). the age of trolling makes this almost impossible. it's beginning to look a lot like darus knew from the beginning he was wrong, and it might be a little obvious that i don't really care where he went to school or have any suspicions at all about where he works/studies (in truth, i don't care).

what the fuck? now you can't even talk to someone on the internet with any sort of consequences. that sucks. we all need to live in small villages and breast feed for extended periods. we are too alienated from each other. for all i know, this guy is a troll and you all know it. maybe i'm a troll. maybe this heartfelt post here is itself some sort of ploy. isn't that horribly boring?

but we did derail your shitty naacp thread. who gives a fuck if some idiot makes a stink about something not-racist being racist. what, now suddenly the naacp is invalid? who cares? i was at the grocery store the other day and the cashier rang me up incorrectly. i mean what the fuck, i should have started a thread about it.

you guys know what i mean?

edit: don't take this the wrong way; i sincerely think L and R are different sounds, and that darus got butthurt that i called him out on a trivial thing, because oooooo someone i don't know is questioning my Language Fanatic Persona, i better put a stop to this before i don't know who i am anymore! also, feels threatened by my superior education, which he could sense before he wrote the intro course stuff to draw it out. it was like, "i know that i'm not going to like what i hear, but i better just draw it out and feel it. man, he is smarter than me. and he went to better schools too. i wonder if i can get him to reveal his GPA, maybe even post some papers. i am going to read all that shit, feel sorry for myself for never getting anywhere academically, and tearfully masturbate to the biggest, greatest orgasm of my life." that's really what's happening, and i'm putting in masturbation jokes to lighten it because i'm actually merciful.

[Darus Grey]

Mission Accomplished.

[pahnphoenix]

that was a horrible argument. i hate trolling. trolling fucking sucks now. back in the day, there were like threads of argument you could follow. "where'd you go to school?" "harvard!" "harvard sucks!" "oh yeah," [...] (one person cries).

but what was this? darus dodged some shit, we both admitted to not really caring about what we're writing, and then we were both guilty of writing vague shit like "mission accomplished" that either means "see, i wasn't actually stupid, I Was Trolling," or it means "see, he wrote I Was Trolling, so he mad" or whatever.

i wish we could all collectively agree on some way to shame each other, if only to stop so many posts from happening. you know?

and furthermore--and listen to me for this one, because you, any you, will probably be on board with this shit, as opposed to my earlier self-indulgent rambling--trolling used to be funny. it still is funny occasionally, but when trolls troll trolls it's almost never funny. it has to transcend trolls trolling trolls to end up basically "friends having fun with each other" (sounds pretty lame, i know, but it makes sense if you think about it).

i mean, look at this exchange between darus and myself. were either of us butthurt? i'm sure wordy, so maybe i was. he wrote a lot of painfully stupid things, so he probably was... right? but most importantly: did you laugh at any of it?

for example, when darus threw out that old zinger "everyone here already knows my credentials," i bet you fell off your chair! you were like, "dude, you should have written NSFW on this post b/c i fucking laughed so hard my boss was all like 'hey stop laughing and do your work' lol!" right? or when i was like, "oh yeah, where did YOU go to school?" holy shit, that was hilarious, wasn't it.

myself, i have nothing better to do. you can tell this. it's 9am, and i'm still not asleep. i have insomnia. i watch the same movies and anime over and over again. i played ffxi for a long time, and you know that when it comes down to it that game is just shitty repetitive grind. i don't mind pointless shit.

but really, shouldn't we, as a society, require more? i think that it's your job to make me care. you should be lifting up people like me--who are MORE than happy to not only insult you, but not even be funny about it *or even give a shit at all about it or bother to remember your name*--and getting us to at least troll well.

trolling well means trolling witty. it's true. you can't just be like, "i got a rise out of you, haha faggot." you need to give more. i mean, i wasn't even trolling, i was just correcting the obviously false statement about L and R. but if i were trolling, you can bet i would have been funnier about it. so, i think that pretty much clears everything up.