Random Question Thread XI: You're Wrong

[noodles355]

M.Kris is faster TP gain, especially with the dagger merits.

Maf: (I'm assuming Brutal was part of your 13 STP)
M.Kris hits 1.9 times per swing with no DA (30/50/20 distribution assumed)
Joyeuse hits 1.45 times per swing with no DA (55/45 distribution assumed)

M.Kris still hits 1.9 times per swing with 5% DA (1.905 times)
Joyeuse hits 1.48 times per swing with 5% DA (1.4775 times)

M.Kris single - 12 STP, +2 Acc earring instead of Suppa for 95% hit rate, 5.8TP/hit, 11.02TP/192 delay = 3.444 TP/second
M.Kris/Joyeuse - 13 STP, 20% Dual Wield, 5.4 TP/hit, 18.2655TP/332 delay = 3.31 TP/second

I think if you assume Joyeuse is a 50% base, you get that they're about equal. You'd also be assuming equal accuracy between main and offhand, which isn't really realistic.

The orignal asker put forward the question regarding faster TP gain.

I'd just like to chirp in and say you're not a 0%/100% TP/WS spread. TP damage is still a factor and TP gain is not the only thing you should concider when looking at melee weapons for cor. It will gain TP faster than Joyeuse, however if joyeus's increase DoT in the TP phase does more than the increased WS frequency (And concidering Kris has a joke DMG rating, it could), then Joyeuse would win.

People need to stop thinking that WS frequency is the only important stat. Increased WS frequency is not always worth the decrease in TP phase damage that other options will give you. For exmple, Ares Cuirass vs Wyrm+1 for drg, Wyrm+1 will win if you have proper buffs (marches+chaos), however if you were a Thief and could wear Ares and a Haste+2 body, the Ares should win, even though Wyrm+1 gave increase DoT and WS frequency, the Ares's increase to your TP phase would out-damage it.

Stop looking at increased TP gain, look at increases to total DoT.

[Nightfyre]

What kinds of builds are people using for sonic thrust? Highest ive gotten was about 1400, im using:

+14dmg oath/pole/-/astrolabe
champ.G/gorget/brutal/bushi
heca/heca/flame/rajas
cuch/warwolf/ares/heca

Also have perle body and alkys i could use. but just wanting to get some opinions.

Heca hands > Alkys due to DEX mod. Unless I missed something about Sonic having a ratio modifier, Ares > Aurum > Perle > Heca body and Forager's > Cuch. Thew Bomblet would help, Nhead would be a fairly big improvement to your build as well.

[Cream Soda]

Some of the tests I saw suggest Footwork can't actually attack 3 times and those get lumped in with attacks twice, making the ridill claws not nearly as big an upgrade as you'd think

these tests were on alla though

I'd say it's still the best non spharai option at the moment. The DA rate has really upped from the occ attack twice version. Kine is making is making some adjustments to make the extra attacks plug in more accurate, but at the moment we're estimating about a 75% double kick rate.

[Cream Soda]

Anything else on this? I really hope that isn't true... this trial sucks too much to make them fail. :/

It's true, but as I said above, the DA rate is rather stellar. I'm still very impressed. Also when the math was done w/ 2-3 procs, it was also done w/ dragon kick, as tornado kick hadn't been tested yet. w/ the new DA rate w/ no triple and tornado kick in dragon kick's place, kine got mathed out these h2h to be just a smidge under what he had them before, almost the same.

[Darkmagi]

Oh i see. Well 75% DA rate instead of having triple attack isn't bad.

[Cream Soda]

Here's a portion of my log from testing (if you see 3 or 4 attacks, footwork wore off and i punched in its place for one attack round)

7/1/2010 6:42:38 AM -- 2 Attacks 
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[noodles355]

So I like to concider myself a Thd/Drg main, I love both jobs as much as ech other, if anything I lean slightly more towards Thief, being the underdog.
Anyway, I'm lvling Cor, and intend to take it seriously and all (it's Marks skill is capped to at least 75Rng+4 merits, and it's sword till 75rdm, have joyeuse, some great AGI/Racc gear from Thf Trick Attack and Ranger, and some moderate MAB gear from Rdm, anyway, it should be well geared off the bat befor I camp specifici shit for it).

Anyway, I'm currently looking at my Thief. I currently use an Acc/DW Mirke Wardecors for uncapped acc situations (And Rapparee ofc for capped). For uncapped, compared to Homam body, it's about a 3% increase (mainly because it gives me 2fStr @75 with sushi/pizza). It's obviously the best body piece I could equip for a body slot in uncapped acc situations (and concidering at 75, with pizza I am about only 420 acc with cuch and acc/haste MKD hat etc, will be a common thing most likely).

Anyway, it's obviously the best body I can have for thief. And I love Thief, I really do (though downhaearted of course after the update). But do you think it's worth it to downgrade to Homam Body (Which I've had for a while) in return for being able to augment it to a dedicated Quick Draw body (My other option is Denali Jacket with 10Agi)?

Dnc is another option for a job to level, another support job since I retired brd, and obviosuly it's the best possible TP piece for dnc, though if I do level it it wont be for a while (My cor is still only in the 40s and I still need to get rng/drg/thf/rdm to 80).

Also, I currently use it for stacked DE/Evis (I use Dragon Harness for solo SA and SATA, Denali for solo TA and Heca for solo DE/Evis) for it's 5 str/dex/agi and 10acc.

tl;dr Mirke is the best TP body for me in uncapped situations by about 3%, it's also what I use for stacked WS (although it's rare to stack DE/Evis with SA/TA, timers etc), if I lvl dnc, it will also be the best TP piece for it. But with that in mind, would it be better to downgrade to Homam body (by 3% total DoT) in order to make a Cor QD body (It's currently looking to ding into Denali)?

[Deader2818]

So, I've most likely missed this, but with all the new trial weapons, which is the best Great Katana for sam to get? (outside of the high dmg one)?

[LidenbokValour]

Any stratedgies for Conflux #1 Walk of Echos? (Crabs)

The zone is pretty much always dead give or take two or three randoms so we decided to make an LS event out of it and see if we can get some loot.

To say the least the mechanics in that place is weird!

We took 18 in and tried the standard kill them as they come down and we where doing fine until the boss came and we ended up getting over ran with crabs and the boss lol. We then tried to sack pull but when our sack run up the top the boss was no where to be seen?

I have not read into this event much so I am none the wiser to whats going on but I gathered the boss comes when a certain amount of mobs are killed? We are thinking about trying with a super tank next time, PLD/BLU with full HP/DEF food/gear and just aggroing them all while we pick them off and eventually kill the boss.

Any idea if that will work or is there a stratedgy someone can suggest?

I am not even sure if 18 is enough to win lol

Thanks in advance.

[Ellimist]

I'm sorry to repost this, but I can't find an answer after searching. I'm a bit behind on the whole Magian quests thing after taking a break from the game, but what is the best COR gun and best RNG gun to make through Magian (other than the recent relic-looking ones)? Do any of them beat Martial gun for Cor? Thanks. I've seen the list of the guns, I'm just not sure how they stacked up and if the OAT or ODD were worth it.

[Byrthnoth]

The orignal asker put forward the question regarding faster TP gain.

I'd just like to chirp in and say you're not a 0%/100% TP/WS spread. TP damage is still a factor and TP gain is not the only thing you should concider when looking at melee weapons for cor. It will gain TP faster than Joyeuse, however if joyeus's increase DoT in the TP phase does more than the increased WS frequency (And concidering Kris has a joke DMG rating, it could), then Joyeuse would win.

People need to stop thinking that WS frequency is the only important stat. Increased WS frequency is not always worth the decrease in TP phase damage that other options will give you. For exmple, Ares Cuirass vs Wyrm+1 for drg, Wyrm+1 will win if you have proper buffs (marches+chaos), however if you were a Thief and could wear Ares and a Haste+2 body, the Ares should win, even though Wyrm+1 gave increase DoT and WS frequency, the Ares's increase to your TP phase would out-damage it.

Stop looking at increased TP gain, look at increases to total DoT.

Well, he was asking for COR/DNC, so I'm guessing he wants to maximize the number of Waltz IIs he can spam. Neither of us said anything about WS frequency.

[frodnonnag]

has augur's set been found anywhere yet? my guess is either WOE or abyssea, and fuck it if it's WOE.

[Rellikard]

Ok so I've been trying to rank up in Campaign for some time now but I never seem to get approved for evaluation. I've done 10k exp > failed then trying 10k AN (With over 10k EXP as well) and I still failed the evaluation. What am I doing wrong? Any tips?

Current Medal: Moonlight Medal $$

[lotmorning]

At what base damage for GK does hagun's TP bonus loose out too again (For HNM/Events not xp)? I can't remember and can't seem to find it.

[Dooom]

Ok so I've been trying to rank up in Campaign for some time now but I never seem to get approved for evaluation. I've done 10k exp > failed then trying 10k AN (With over 10k EXP as well) and I still failed the evaluation. What am I doing wrong? Any tips?

Current Medal: Moonlight Medal $$

Sounds like you're leaving it too long. Are you doing the full 30 days wait before evaluation?

[Rellikard]

Sounds like you're leaving it too long. Are you doing the full 30 days wait before evaluation?

Ya unfortunately this time I waited 3 weeks before attempting evaluation. Would it be quicker now to just end my evaluation, turn over my medal and redo this one?

[Aero]

You need around 21k EXP or AN not sure which it is then; rule of thumb is 1k per day.

[Clerix]

can magian weapons with weaponskill dmg: +10% be offhanded and still get the effect?

[Marcicus]

Has anyone tested Wheeling Thrust vs Sonic Thrust on HNMs? Feels like they're about the same to me. :/

[Zephirian]

Stupid Chocobo raising question that I can't find a set answer on:

Any way to get a specific colored bird?