Random Question Thread XI: You're Wrong

[Epysian]

http://bash74.com/magic/

Not what I was looking for, but awesome nonetheless, thanks a lot Rog.

[rog]

Not what I was looking for, but awesome nonetheless, thanks a lot Rog.

What you were looking for seemed kind of useless compared to that

[Villian]

LS mate and I had a discussion about Apoc drk zerg on einherjar bosses and einherjar in general (and none stun zergs too). I said /nin is better due to the chances of you surviving and dish out more damage, was I wrong?

[rog]

LS mate and I had a discussion about Apoc drk zerg on einherjar bosses and einherjar in general (and none stun zergs too). I said /nin is better due to the chances of you surviving and dish out more damage, was I wrong?

1) why are you zerging with apoc?
2) Shit's situatinal. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. For einherjahr you certainly wouldn't want to sub nin, if only so you can do more damage for the normal mobs.

[Diddy Kong]

For times when I don't feel like using footwork, what's the best H2H for doing damage?

[Niiro]

The best current option outside of FW would probably be STR/ATK Taipan Fangs.

[Diddy Kong]

Better than Verethragna?

[Dooom]

If you're gonna start talking about Empyreans you might as well talk about Relic Weapons too, considering how silly getting 50 of the item drops is. Taipan Fangs are the best, "realistic" option.

[Niiro]

Better than Verethragna?

No, but I was only counting sane options.

[Byrthnoth]

Is there anywhere in Grauberg (S) you can camp to kill Peistes that doesn't result in quasi-regular Quadav agro? Shit is absolutely ridiculous. I'm 50 kills into Trial 15 and want to give up.

[Zirk]

Did a brief search in this thread and didn't find anything, but did Phalanx and Phalanx II get adjusted at all to raise the cap on damage mitigation?

[rog]

Did a brief search in this thread and didn't find anything, but did Phalanx and Phalanx II get adjusted at all to raise the cap on damage mitigation?

No.

[Francisco]

For times when I don't feel like using footwork, what's the best H2H for doing damage?

Aside from relic, mythic and empyrean... I think you're looking at the ranking being something like...

1: Lunaris Claws
2: Afflictors
3: Tapien Fangs (STR/Attack)
4: Ursine Claws (the 7 DA ones)
5: Revanant Fists
6: Hades +1 / Savant +1 (or w/e they're called)

But that's all guess work... I'd have to say Lunaris are ahead of all the others by a healthy margin though. DMG:+26 Delay:+96 DEX+3... Acc/Atk by moon phase is just icing on the cake - unless it can penalize your Acc/Atk (which I highly doubt)...

[Darkmagi]

Fairly sure dmg+ OAT beat all of these? Since it procs on both fists now.
Edit: If your not building for footwork. I find my OAThrice H2H to be a bit bittersweet because you can't get both and I feel they won't buff up footwork very frequently as far as dmg upgrades go, while H2H dmg will keep on increasing.

[Francisco]

Fairly sure dmg+ OAT beat all of these? Since it procs on both fists now.
Edit: If your not building for footwork. I find my OAThrice H2H to be a bit bittersweet because you can't get both and I feel they won't buff up footwork very frequently as far as dmg upgrades go, while H2H dmg will keep on increasing.

I'd imagine they might edge out most of them - maybe/maybe not Lunaris Claws...

However, I don't think the slight increase in damage is worth the increase in TP given to the mob.

I guess that happens to your mindset when you spend most of your time /NIN bouncing hate with a PLD on HNMs.

[miokomioko]

Mantis doesn't fall into that list above Hades?

[Francisco]

Mantis doesn't fall into that list above Hades?

They do, but I just listed Revanant Fists, which are the current final form of Mantis, if you don't go the Empyrean Route.

[Cream Soda]

Learn to count..

It was only 3, i bugged him about the mnk stuff, so he edited it in.

[Cream Soda]

Aside from relic, mythic and empyrean... I think you're looking at the ranking being something like...

1: Lunaris Claws
2: Afflictors
3: Tapien Fangs (STR/Attack)
4: Ursine Claws (the 7 DA ones)
5: Revanant Fists
6: Hades +1 / Savant +1 (or w/e they're called)

But that's all guess work... I'd have to say Lunaris are ahead of all the others by a healthy margin though. DMG:+26 Delay:+96 DEX+3... Acc/Atk by moon phase is just icing on the cake - unless it can penalize your Acc/Atk (which I highly doubt)...

I don't see Lunaris claws and afflictors being at top with 96 delay, that's a pretty large step up in terms of delay. I'd doubt either of them beat tapians, and i'm pretty sure dmg+ occ attack twice ursine beat DA ursine.

[miokomioko]

I, for one, am not taking any trials on my Mantis until I find out more about Empyrean/Chloris/Revenantpath/etc...