Is it 2006, or am I just the worst PLD on Cerberus?

[Greatguardian]

I don't mind casual players much, I simply don't rely on them for anything. The only reason these guys struck me as totally fucking ridiculous was the fact that they're *allegedly* ex-Apathy, and everyone in the entire shell agreed with them. Seriously. Felt like I was in the twilight zone or some shit. And was totally not kidding when I said I'd fix my own tanking if I'm totally wrong <_< but I really don't think I am.

[Red Demon Taoist]

One thing's for sure, they made it to "Apathy" because of their vast ability and knowledge of the game. And not because they have vaginas.

Why can't I have something like this to read at work everyday?

[Hyriu]

Valyria was Viki on Remora, and what I remember from the little time I was in Apathy and on Remora, they weren't the sharpest tool in the box(obviously), which explains that.

Danniella, on the other hand, I have no clue who it is, they mention Voltage in those screenshots though, which would explain why they're also retarded.

Chiibi seems very annoying.

[Sho]

I don't mind casual players much, I simply don't rely on them for anything. The only reason these guys struck me as totally fucking ridiculous was the fact that they're *allegedly* ex-Apathy, and everyone in the entire shell agreed with them. Seriously. Felt like I was in the twilight zone or some shit. And was totally not kidding when I said I'd fix my own tanking if I'm totally wrong <_< but I really don't think I am.

Hey fuck you buddy, I tanked in Apathy LS.

[Ohaigaiz]

First off, you have to know some horrible PLDs if they can't reach CE cap on Khimaira.

Secondly, why are your SAMs pulling hate with SA WS? Just have the PLD run behind it right before he preps SATA and the hate from damage is all planted on your tank - then your SAM can stand there and throw 3-4 more WSes at it without risking pulling hate (since his first WS, and the strongest one, he didn't get hate for anyway) before his SATA timer comes back up.

Cerberus and Khimaira don't have very powerful flails anyway and they like to stand in the same place when you're behind them, so why not take advantage of them?

i love how you argue that it's easy to cap CE on khim as pld and then in the very next paragraph say that the pld should go out of its way in order for the sam to not pull aggro.

the point of my post is that most anything that can be tanked decently by pld can be tanked better/much better by other things, and when i say 'tanked' i mean hold aggro. with decent gear and decent support the fear of death is nearly abysmal.

perhaps you have really good plds, but with experience in average hnm shells the plds in general were pretty shitty.

[Agito]

Paladin/Ninja or Paladin/Red Mage. If your inventory isn't filled up completely with all of the gear sets and if you're not constantly changing gear for every action then you're just a pathetic excuse for a Paladin. Cure cheat set, MDB set, idle set, secondary idle set, full enmity set, fast cast set, accuracy bonus set, MND set and you get the idea. All of your haste gear, the rest being HP+ gear is the most common of idle sets. On less risky fights though when you're not in danger of being one shotted then you can replace the HP+ gear for accuracy and sword skill gear, this should be your secondary idle set. More accuracy means more Atonement and Chivalry even on HNM fights.

[Nephlite]

the point of my post is that most anything that can be tanked decently by pld can be tanked better/much better by other things, and when i say 'tanked' i mean hold aggro. with decent gear and decent support the fear of death is nearly abysmal.

Remember Richardd could smoke any Pld on his Nin. Does that mean he can't do the same on Pld? No, but does it mean he's got the science of Nin down to well, a science? Depends on the player, etc. I've seen some Nin/Drk who dominated one night only to fail horribly to Khim the next day simply because the G.Horn Brd wasn't there to support him. The fact of the matter is you gotta be good at your job with and without support and be quick to adapt to any situation regardless of support. People who give a shit/spend the gil and work on their characters like it's their pride and joy so they can decently do their job will generally do better than excal/aegis Pld who simply wanted a shiny to swing and fulltimes DD gear (trust me, I know one).

Oh to the OP, kill them with fire. Cleanse the soul as well as the body with a baptism of fire!

[Kam]

lol excal pld.

[urat]

This is nothing, try having ls members that don't get the concept that accuracy increases your damage, and think that as long as they have attack and strength in every slot they have, they can't increase their DPS any higher than it currently is... I had a samurai that straight up told me that fang necklace was far superior to PCC >_>;

[HadesChubbs]

i love how you argue that it's easy to cap CE on khim as pld and then in the very next paragraph say that the pld should go out of its way in order for the sam to not pull aggro.

the point of my post is that most anything that can be tanked decently by pld can be tanked better/much better by other things, and when i say 'tanked' i mean hold aggro. with decent gear and decent support the fear of death is nearly abysmal.

perhaps you have really good plds, but with experience in average hnm shells the plds in general were pretty shitty.

PLD is always a good job to have there, especially with Excal. Not every situation can support 2 sam or drk tanks, khim/tia etc. Late night camps or even plain bad luck can take non-plds out very fast, where as any sensible pld would be idling in a hybrid def/shield right after a thunderstrike/dread, and if hes quick (or using some sort of on-event), he can put in mdb as well. The plds you play with must be autistic, because theres no reason a pld cannot dd while also acting as a safety net that should never die.

Edit: and to clarify what i meant by after dread, i meant before shadows are up theres usually 0-2 swings while not terrored

[Therin]

Khim is all about breaking wings

I don't really even think that's necessary. Tourbillion has a pretty long charge-up so you can easily macro on turtle/Shield gear for it, which should reduce the damage to a manageable (400-600) level if it's not blocked by shadows entirely.

[avelle]

I don't really even think that's necessary. Tourbillion has a pretty long charge-up so you can easily macro on turtle/Shield gear for it, which should reduce the damage to a manageable (400-600) level if it's not blocked by shadows entirely.

I guess I've never paid close attention to it but I'm not entirely sure about this. Tourbillion has always seemed to fire off pretty quickly in my experience. Guess I'll watch it more closely next time we fight it.

[orinthia]

Kill it with fire!

I love how "exp pld should use haub" turned into hnm tanking with those idiots. Yes, lv59+ exp pld should use haub. 4vit off af for 10acc/att, 5dex/str with haub is a no brainer.

[Sho]

Kill it with fire!

I love how "exp pld should use haub" turned into hnm tanking with those idiots. Yes, lv59+ exp pld should use haub. 4vit off af for 10acc/att, 5dex/str with haub is a no brainer.

You'd be surprised how many people think otherwise lol. Even in the past before the days of Colibri I thought Hauby was best for PLD at some exp camps. You were gonna get wrecked either way, regardless of what you wore.

[Ohaigaiz]

PLD is always a good job to have there, especially with Excal. Not every situation can support 2 sam or drk tanks, khim/tia etc. Late night camps or even plain bad luck can take non-plds out very fast, where as any sensible pld would be idling in a hybrid def/shield right after a thunderstrike/dread, and if hes quick (or using some sort of on-event), he can put in mdb as well. The plds you play with must be autistic, because theres no reason a pld cannot dd while also acting as a safety net that should never die.

Edit: and to clarify what i meant by after dread, i meant before shadows are up theres usually 0-2 swings while not terrored

everything i said was assuming people knew it was mainly broad generalizations about the situation. there will always be times when something is situational and x job is better than x job for x time at x place with x people. simple as that. again, though, most of the time other jobs out perform paladin, which is what i assumed people had figured.

relics are always good to have in all situations.

[Jex]

First off, you have to know some horrible PLDs if they can't reach CE cap on Khimaira.

This is true but im not saying ohi is right but i do agree somewhat with him when it comes to Pld on Khim. I used to think pld was the best tank for Khim till I seen the JP's on my server kill khim, They still piss me off.

These JPs' on Valfor tank EVERYTHING (minus KB, Yes i know you dont tank but kite) on rdm/nin but they face camp every khim window.

But seeing them tank on rdm/nin i have to say they shit on pld's, Dread storm,thunderstrike,Torbillion do shit damage to them. and even when there stun they still take a hit and come out with maybe only losing 10% on advrage HP even Aegis pld's get fucked up. all in all the rdm/nin are able to keep hate ALOT better and take alot less dmg... sry for the ramble just my 2 cents.

Edit: I still cant figure out why they camp Khim like it drops D-ring when they dont use plds

relics are always good to have in all situations.

My Mjollnir and Claustrum care to disagree.

[Jex]

Edit mistake on double post

[BadKarma]

I would have rage quit the shell long before I was kicked. Jesus

[Neosutra]

Wow..

[Nephlite]

most of the time other jobs out perform paladin

Again, depends on the player. Rdm/Nin is supposedly the new age tank with damage mitigation, etc. Lest we forget that it requires SKILL to become a flawless Rdm tank. One wrong move and it's game over. Witness some of the best Rdm's tank circles around the hapless Pld's and their limited hate accumulation options, then suddenly a lucky invisible Triple Attack/Mighty Strikes after a good Tebbad Wing. My moneys on the properly geared Pld to survive that mess. I know, I know, one instance but saying one job is better than another most of the time isn't the way to validate your favoritism to that job. Just say you like X-job better because that's your opinion and it'll count more.