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    Quote Originally Posted by Katlan View Post
    general tech question. We all know the gtx 480 runs hot as fuck at full load... about 89-92c. So... if your gonna be playing a game that's gonna keep the gpu at full lood for 80%+ of the time.. would it be better to manually turn the fan off of auto and keep it at 100% (5k rpm) to keep the temp down, or does it not matter since the card is meant to run this hot? Obviously lower heat is better, but don't feel like hearing the fan run at 5k rpm if it doesn't need to be (I think the fan only runs at 60-70% auto on full load)
    It's fine at those temps, but I prefer mine cooler and can't be bothered to manually change the fan speed when I game (or deal with the added noise when I'm not). So I use afterburner to modify my auto-fan profile. Instead of the Auto-Fan being 60-70% approaching 90, i have mine hit the same speed at lower temps so they never pass 80-83 as a mid-summer max. Here's my profile:

    http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/4907/fanprofile.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by alecrast View Post
    The 5970 is a dual-GPU single-PCB part - it is two underclocked 5870s on the same PCB. Using your "fixed" chart, it becomes:

    1. GTX 480 4-way SLI -- $1840
    2. 2x 5970 Crossfire (this is 4-way Crossfire, btw) -- $1360
    3. GTX 480 SLI (2-way) -- $920
    4. HD 5870 Crossfire (2-way) -- $760
    5. HD 5970 -- $679
    6. GTX 480 -- $460
    7. HD 5870 -- $380

    3-way GTX 480 SLI (3 GPUs) is faster than 2x 5970 Crossfire (4 GPUs). SLI scales better than Crossfire. That's probably part of the reason that 3x 5870s is faster than 2x 5970s with inefficiency offsetting performance.

    http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/artic..._GTX_480_test/




    ATI is not going to introduce a single-GPU solution for $700. The market will not bear it. More likely what you'll see is ATI selling a reference design for ~$500 - $529 with OEMs charging up to $600 for non-reference designs. ATI doesn't want to create a niche market for their top GPU - they want to keep pressure on NVIDIA so the likelihood of a reference HD6000 at $600 is almost nil. Note that I am making the differentiation between ATI suggesting the MSRP of $500 and online vendors taking advantage of product launch and product shortages to jack the cards up $200 over their MSRP.

    Don't expect to see too much movement in the 5870 price. The reason for that is that AMD meets with its partners and informs them of its plans (hence the HIS leak earlier this week) so that the OEMs aren't left with huge volumes of old product. AMD could potentially hold off on launching its new product until existing stock of 5870s declines.
    I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeras View Post
    It's fine at those temps, but I prefer mine cooler and can't be bothered to manually change the fan speed when I game (or deal with the added noise when I'm not). So I use afterburner to modify my auto-fan profile. Instead of the Auto-Fan being 60-70% approaching 90, i have mine hit the same speed at lower temps so they never pass 80-83 as a mid-summer max. Here's my profile:
    That's a great idea, thanks for the advice. Do you need to have afterburner open to keep those auto fan values, or can u set it and keep it closed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalil View Post
    I have the same card although mine's factory OC'd but I gotta say I'm entirely happy with Sapphire.
    That's good to hear, any problems with FFXI?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kawfee View Post
    Yes, still stuttering, but "better"(?) is what people have said in various places recently.
    That's what I had read, wasn't sure if they had eliminated the problem completely yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avelle View Post
    That's good to hear, any problems with FFXI?
    I've had no problems with FFXI. I'm not in the beta for FF14 so can't tell ya how it performs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katlan View Post
    general tech question. We all know the gtx 480 runs hot as fuck at full load... about 89-92c. So... if your gonna be playing a game that's gonna keep the gpu at full lood for 80%+ of the time.. would it be better to manually turn the fan off of auto and keep it at 100% (5k rpm) to keep the temp down, or does it not matter since the card is meant to run this hot? Obviously lower heat is better, but don't feel like hearing the fan run at 5k rpm if it doesn't need to be (I think the fan only runs at 60-70% auto on full load)
    You could always look into aftermarket cooling

    http://www.futurelooks.com/gelid-sol...cooler-review/

    I just picked this thing up for my 470. I haven't yet broken 70 degrees c even at full load, and it doesn't sound like a leaf blower like the ref cooler does.

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    I've yet to find a aftermarket coller I could put on my HD 5770, let alone one that will fit in CF. My top (normal saphire) runs at 91+ degrees c during furmark, ~85 during ff14/intensive games. While the Vapor-X below it runs at 9~ lower all the time. Both OCed to 900/1250.

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    Have you tried increasing the fan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojimbo View Post
    I've yet to find a aftermarket coller I could put on my HD 5770, let alone one that will fit in CF. My top (normal saphire) runs at 91+ degrees c during furmark, ~85 during ff14/intensive games. While the Vapor-X below it runs at 9~ lower all the time. Both OCed to 900/1250.
    Download MSI Afterburner and select the auto fan speed option, it makes a massive difference to the temps whilst playing games.

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    well fawk. I still can't get the GPU core over 950mhz without artifacts even with the voltage cranked up to 1.213v on this MSI 460 1gb version. I think i will probably return it and wait until the HD6xxx cards come out(or whatever answer nvidia has to the hd6xxx).

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    Is that the option under Fan tab in settings or just the auto button next to fan speed select? I normally keep my fans at 46 or 50% at which point I can start hearing the fans.

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    I have a Q6600 @2.4
    and a HD5770.

    Got 2,400 something on High settings
    and 3,440 on low settings.

    Not really as high as I'd like..., but I don't plan to play full screen anyways, and the low setting score should be more than serviceable.

    I'm still a few years off from a full blown CPU upgrade, so hopefully I don't have any issues.

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    Upgraded gpu from 8800gts 320 to an XFX 5870 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150490) and the difference was amazing.

    Old: e6750 @ 3.4, 4 Gigs Mushkin Blackline, 8800GTS 320
    High: 1406

    New: " " + XFX 5870
    High: 3546

    Going to reformat in the next few days and see what a fresh win7 will do and post proper pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojimbo View Post
    Is that the option under Fan tab in settings or just the auto button next to fan speed select? I normally keep my fans at 46 or 50% at which point I can start hearing the fans.
    Tbh, I just keep my fan @ 70% and I hardly hear it. I have the Vapor-X 5870 OC. Idle temp is 28C, while running BC2 with high setting and @ 1920x1200 will peak at 50C tops. But, I have the HAF 932 full tower with 2 120mm fan directly @ the GPU.

    Also, it depends on your room temp. Mine's about 20C, which is equivalent to 70F, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alecrast View Post
    Uninstall all your video card drivers - everything that came with it including PhysX.

    Reboot.

    Run Driver Sweeper and let it get rid of any old display drivers left laying around.

    Reboot again.

    Run Driver Sweeper a second time just to be safe.

    Reboot again.

    Then re-download the 258.96 drivers - don't trust the ones you have downloaded already. If you're running 64-bit Windows 7, the drivers can be found here.

    Install, test, report back with success or failure.

    If $result == failure, try re-installing Windows.



    Because sometimes, that's just what you have to do. If you had some sort of previous install that failed in a particular way, it's possible that Windows has been left in a silently bad state. Re-installing is the last (but best) possible option. If you get to building/tinkering with PCs enough, you learn to build 1 clean install of Windows, make an image of it with a tool like Acronis True Image, and then you can re-install that clean image of Windows in about 5 minutes.
    Sigh. Did all of this except the windows install. It crashed in the exact same spot again, right as the character lifts its head and right after the disembodied voice says "Hear, Feel".

    I wonder what would cause that, or if its related to having some setting on in the nvidia control panel maybe? It should be all defaults though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaddix View Post
    well fawk. I still can't get the GPU core over 950mhz without artifacts even with the voltage cranked up to 1.213v on this MSI 460 1gb version. I think i will probably return it and wait until the HD6xxx cards come out(or whatever answer nvidia has to the hd6xxx).
    if your going for 950+ you better have more then air cooling, and shoulda bought a 480

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyedea-Seraph View Post
    if your going for 950+ you better have more then air cooling, and shoulda bought a 480
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2629723/crapoc.jpg

    I had the fan locked at 70% when I took that screenshot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kawfee View Post
    Sigh. Did all of this except the windows install. It crashed in the exact same spot again, right as the character lifts its head and right after the disembodied voice says "Hear, Feel".

    I wonder what would cause that, or if its related to having some setting on in the nvidia control panel maybe? It should be all defaults though.
    Try disabling your sound device? That could also cause it to crash, however unlikely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alecrast View Post
    Try disabling your sound device? That could also cause it to crash, however unlikely.
    It's onboard sound on the EVGA X58 mobo via a Realtek driver. I guess it can't hurt to see if that's been updated.

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    People were looking for GTX-460 benchmark scores, and so was I a little while ago, so here's one. With an X6 1055T and a GTX-460 768MB (both stock), I scored 3600 on low settings and about 2500 on high.

    Lower than I expected, but I've got lots of overclocking room on both of these components.

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