Namas Arrow and Samurai

[Konda]

You bumped this thread just so you could fill it with stupid?

christ, besides most of the information being out of date due to lv80, the thread wasn't meant to discuss what to use for Namas Arrow.


1) Sekk doesnt make much/any difference if you have it or dont have it. you shouldnt really be saving to 180+ TP to utulise it.

2) Amano is probably a stronger relic than yoichi if you're going to use them on SAM exclusively. After seeing both in action, I'd get amano if I Was going to do a relic.

3) Relic weapons are way better than 2% better.

4)

I think every relic is pretty much marginal difference from the best normal weapon u can get cept for Aegis.

lol

[EjinCaitsith]

2. i have played with a good amano played with some of the best really. and again the best amano player will be along the same lines as the best yoichi player, i only say yoichi is better cuz of the 200mil i spent on it nothing more.

I highly doubt this. The only time yoichi will pull ahead is in merit situations where you're getting high attack buffs to allow Namas to come close to kaiten average.

4. what i ment by low man is like maybe a 5-6 man faf. one pld,whm,brd,sam,1-2blm and a thf. or even low man tiamat to SC>MB right b4 it flies or in air whichever ppl prefer

This makes me question if have even ever tried doing this before. Because if you're even half decent you'll be pulling hate from melee and SC dmg within the first 10min if /war. If you're /drg, well have fun with your 150 avg Namas. Not to mention the TP spam using soboro with either sub.

TL;DR If you were looking for a weap to use for low man, you should have done Amano and tanked everything yourself.

PS. Just eyeballing my abyssea Namas on Bugards last night while /war and min x2, marbled steak as food, 720~ w/o zerk, 1100~ with zerk. Melee:WS split for me is normally 25:75.

[EjinCaitsith]

Just to give people an idea of how much attack influences Namas damage i went out and did a brief test on Tough(to level 80) Wivre's at lower nyzul bird camp.

i was /war, food was red curry bun, brd had capped min merits, chaos was always 11(cor did not wear relic hat for any rolls). WS were all done at exact same distances.

w/o food 703
All WS from this point are done with red curry bun on.
with food: 779
with minx2: 1138
with chaos: 1109
with chaos and minx2: 1499
with berserk: 1020
with berserk and minx2: 1434
with berserk and chaos: 1342
with berserk, chaos and minx2: 1776

I am not in anyway claiming these numbers are 100% accurate, but namas is very static, so they should be generally correct and close to real averages.

As you can see attack has a huge impact on Namas damage. With an average Melee:WS split of 25:75 so much depends on your Namas damage. Without the proper attack buffs, Yoichi sam just falls short of Amano or just about any other top caliber DD.

[Trill]

You bumped this thread just so you could fill it with stupid?

christ, besides most of the information being out of date due to lv80, the thread wasn't meant to discuss what to use for Namas Arrow.


1) Sekk doesnt make much/any difference if you have it or dont have it. you shouldnt really be saving to 180+ TP to utulise it.

2) Amano is probably a stronger relic than yoichi if you're going to use them on SAM exclusively. After seeing both in action, I'd get amano if I Was going to do a relic.

3) Relic weapons are way better than 2% better.

4)

lol

hmm i guess i see why this thread doesnt go anywhere lol the starter of the thread just wants a dick size contest. for on i was siding with you on even starting the thread to get good info out it. was actually stating the thread became useless becuase within like 4 post it simply became a dick size contest of i'm better then u and stating useless info. like i said at the start im not saying im right as my entire ffxi career has been exclusively rdm and pld until recently. if im wrong i said feel free to correct me lol.. but the oh ur sooo stupid just makes u look like your 5 and even dumber the the person u calling dumb, but what can i expect from an internet nerd i guess.

2. If amano is stronger more power to it never said it wasnt. i said only reason i stick behind yoichi is well obviously cuz i got the damn thing. meaning i personally like it not "insert math equationg,"insert dick size here"= oh im better then u stupidity
3. and if u took 2%, which i kno u prolly put into sum calculated equation, as the honest % of how better a relic weapon is then well i dont kno what to say lol. its not exactly 2% but what im saying is NO DD RELIC WEAPON IS GAME BREAKING. can say what u want do as many calculation as u want,but the simple fact is anything that can be done with a DD relic can done with a regular weapon. just the relic will do it a bit more effeciently.

4. again say what u want lol but show me a majore difference in fighting anything ,cept for a useless merit pt where it doesnt matter anyway becuase if u go to bird a good drg will out damage u anyway no matter what relic u have cept an obvious gugnir, where ALL the difference comes from the "insert DD relic" rather than an aegis. My brother aegis isnt the most completed relic on most all server for nothing.

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and to Einjcatsith(sorry forum nub as i dont kno how to double quote-shoot mre for it lol)

Fafnir isnt hard watsoever, most of the time we do fafnir at this point we act retarded as in soboro>namas to death with a rdm enspell KC to. Fafnir's toughness has long gone.on nidhogg yes; im not gonna do that dumb shit but like i said FAF; which is again not even considered an hnm anymore; as for the amano tanking im not really seeing how an amano is gonna help u tank anything better. i guess if u wanted to tank then yeah since yoichi doesnt give any hate really. TP spam is i guess a concern but from my experience if ur sam tanking and the mob has tp moves that are gonna kill u its gonna kill u anyway regardless of the tp spam other than maybe salvage bosses. and even then salvage is a joke since we dont even take monks just samx2 now; any big nm that matter sam cant really tank for long anyway so really doesnt matter. Maybe is u have a party setup to solely support the sam tank but that makes everything harder than what it has to be.

But anyway enuff of the idea contest ; my whole reason for posting was to simply get some actual knowledge and advice from people on different setups;gear sets(other than the obviousl 5/6 hits);"in this situation such and such would be better"

P.S but again correct if im wrong with your whole number caclutations blah blah buut. Namas Arrow is indeed a weaker WS than Kaiten, but any just about every situation a Yoichi sam can WS twice as fast as a Amano sam. again just my personal opinion with it. max haste amano max haste soboro, if ppl have the numbers to say amano will get 100tp faster then the soboro then so be it, i can accept im wrong
Oh and konda since the 80 cap nothing has really changed on a Namas arrow build for tp or WS. Even for Sam for that matter(if it has for an amano sorry; not an amano user so dont know shit about it) but from the gear that came out there isnt much difference; maybe thing likes Viking helm(i think maats cap is better), bullwhip belt(gl getting that), Goading belt, if ur using full perle god help u the feet are ok but for namas hachi set all way.

[EjinCaitsith]

Fafnir isnt hard watsoever, most of the time we do fafnir at this point we act retarded as in soboro>namas to death with a rdm enspell KC to. Fafnir's toughness has long gone.on nidhogg yes; im not gonna do that dumb shit but like i said FAF; which is again not even considered an hnm anymore.

I was really only responding the the yoichi sam in a low-man setting, which means no cor or 2nd brd, so you're left with just haste and marchx2. And if whatever you're fighting, i guess Fafnir is that weak? so bad example, you won't have enough attack buffs to beat gekko(think mobs with reallly high defense).

Amano really blew me away when i got it. I had read "oh its not that much better than hagun" but in the events i do, it was a very big increase.

Yoichi on the other hand, i had very high hopes. Reading here and in other places how great it is. But as i learned, without the proper buffs(i do low-man and aside from 1 brd i get no other buffs) it doesn't compare to Amano.

That being said, a properly buffed(cor/brdx2/dnc) Yoichi sam will blow anything out of the water if played right.

[Phraust]

This is golden if you read Trill's Posts in the voice of Ice-T.

I get what you're saying and agree for the most part, but it's one of those things that really comes down to the player... COINCIDENTALLY... People that get relics USUALLY are better versed in the game and perform well. But you're right in spirit, though maybe a little off in scale, Relics do really enhance the DD output marginally, though much higher than the proposed 2%. No matter the relic.

You said you came looking for info on peoples' experiences with Yochi, and I will tell you, everyone with a relic is usually in sticker shock and is already spending thier time defending thier position from both haters in the camp of "It's a waste of money" and "Why didn't you get Relic X instead". It's a no win either way, and even when you're right, there's ALWAYS going to be someone there to point out how wrong you are. SO advice usually comes off a bit more defensive that it needs to be; advice will be spotty at best, but there if you can read between the lines or sift through the math.

Fuck it. Enjoy your toy for what it is, a massive accomplishment. Don't let people piss in your beer, and have a good time.

[Konda]

hmm i guess i see why this thread doesnt go anywhere lol the starter of the thread just wants a dick size contest. for on i was siding with you on even starting the thread to get good info out it. was actually stating the thread became useless becuase within like 4 post it simply became a dick size contest of i'm better then u and stating useless info. like i said at the start im not saying im right as my entire ffxi career has been exclusively rdm and pld until recently. if im wrong i said feel free to correct me lol.. but the oh ur sooo stupid just makes u look like your 5 and even dumber the the person u calling dumb, but what can i expect from an internet nerd i guess.

Gearing Namas isnt exactly rocket science. the whole point of the thread was to discuss the viability of 5hit instead of 6hit. Trading some haste for a reduced swing to 100tp.

If you'd actually read the thread and managed to pick out the useful posts that were dotted among the usual BG bickering, then you'd realise that it was a pretty informative thread and I wouldnt have to call you stupid for coming in and basically saying what everyone else has said.

2. If amano is stronger more power to it never said it wasnt. i said only reason i stick behind yoichi is well obviously cuz i got the damn thing. meaning i personally like it not "insert math equationg,"insert dick size here"= oh im better then u stupidity

Just because you have Yoichi, it doesn't mean it's a better relic.

3. and if u took 2%, which i kno u prolly put into sum calculated equation, as the honest % of how better a relic weapon is then well i dont kno what to say lol. its not exactly 2% but what im saying is NO DD RELIC WEAPON IS GAME BREAKING. can say what u want do as many calculation as u want,but the simple fact is anything that can be done with a DD relic can done with a regular weapon. just the relic will do it a bit more effeciently.

By this definition, then G.horn is the only "game breaking" relic. Followed by exal and apoc. Suggesting that an Aegis is in any way game breaking is just laughable. It holds a slight advantage when taking magic damage, but besides that, I can think of absolutly no situation where somebody has only said "if only our tank had an aegis "

Whereas Amano is a significant step up from Hagun. (talking lv75 ffxi here). Kaiten alone ensures the significant boost. I didn't want to believe it at first, but even when using Gekko, Amano was at an advantage. It was similar performance to 5-hit Tomoe on birds, that alone should speak volumes about how good it is. yes, yoichi is better in these situations with full buffs, but it's usefulness drops off alot quicker than Amano's. Suggesting Amano is a marginal upgrade from Hagun (still talking in lv75 terms here) only reveals your ignorance on the subject.

4. again say what u want lol but show me a majore difference in fighting anything ,cept for a useless merit pt where it doesnt matter anyway becuase if u go to bird a good drg will out damage u anyway no matter what relic u have cept an obvious gugnir, where ALL the difference comes from the "insert DD relic" rather than an aegis. My brother aegis isnt the most completed relic on most all server for nothing.

This paragraph is barely legible, but what I think you're trying to suggest is relic weapons can't be compared on merit level mobs because another job would be better? then something about aegis.

As far as I can tell, Aegis is the most completed relic simply because back in 2003 and 2004, pld was the only available tank. because of this, linkshells were more inclined to sponser the main tank of the linkshell for a relic that would, as they saw it, benefit the whole linkshell. The same mentality applies with G.horn.
What is Aegis used for these days? reducing magic damage and blocking a little more damage when you're trying to cast Ichi.

and to Einjcatsith(sorry forum nub as i dont kno how to double quote-shoot mre for it lol)

Fafnir isnt hard watsoever, most of the time we do fafnir at this point we act retarded as in soboro>namas to death with a rdm enspell KC to. Fafnir's toughness has long gone.on nidhogg yes; im not gonna do that dumb shit but like i said FAF; which is again not even considered an hnm anymore; as for the amano tanking im not really seeing how an amano is gonna help u tank anything better. i guess if u wanted to tank then yeah since yoichi doesnt give any hate really. TP spam is i guess a concern but from my experience if ur sam tanking and the mob has tp moves that are gonna kill u its gonna kill u anyway regardless of the tp spam other than maybe salvage bosses. and even then salvage is a joke since we dont even take monks just samx2 now; any big nm that matter sam cant really tank for long anyway so really doesnt matter. Maybe is u have a party setup to solely support the sam tank but that makes everything harder than what it has to be.

But anyway enuff of the idea contest ; my whole reason for posting was to simply get some actual knowledge and advice from people on different setups;gear sets(other than the obviousl 5/6 hits);"in this situation such and such would be better"

P.S but again correct if im wrong with your whole number caclutations blah blah buut. Namas Arrow is indeed a weaker WS than Kaiten, but any just about every situation a Yoichi sam can WS twice as fast as a Amano sam. again just my personal opinion with it. max haste amano max haste soboro, if ppl have the numbers to say amano will get 100tp faster then the soboro then so be it, i can accept im wrong
Oh and konda since the 80 cap nothing has really changed on a Namas arrow build for tp or WS. Even for Sam for that matter(if it has for an amano sorry; not an amano user so dont know shit about it) but from the gear that came out there isnt much difference; maybe thing likes Viking helm(i think maats cap is better), bullwhip belt(gl getting that), Goading belt, if ur using full perle god help u the feet are ok but for namas hachi set all way.

So SAM can't tank? Again, you beg to be called stupid, but I'll refrain.

SAM can tank excellently on a wide range of mobs. Unlike traditional tanks; PLD, NIN, RDM... it can do a significant amount of damage while tanking.


And lv80 has changed everything. the conclusion of this thread was at lv75, 5hit was unviable due to dropping too many essential stats in other areas. However, with lv80 and the associated new Items and higher skills, 5-hit is not only viable but significantly better. Failure explained it all (to me because I didnt know about the new items, i might add) in the relic augment thread.


One more thing... Before you post your next reply, Copy and paste it into word and correct all the red and green squiggly lines. Thanks, that'll save us all having to copy it into google translate for Double Dutch to understand what you're trying to say.

[Byrthnoth]

Ideal as I see it at the moment:

SAM/DRG 5-hit TP:
Soboro/Rose/Yoichi/Antlion
Turban/Ancient/Wyvern/Brutal
Usu/Dusk Gloves +1/Toreador's/Rajas
Tactical Mantle/Goading/Byakko's/Usu
26% Haste, 69 STP, 19.4 TP/hit, +14 STP required during WS

WS:
Soboro/Rose/Yoichi/Antlion
Viking/Torque/Vulcan's/Vulcan's
Osode/Heafoc Mitts/Strigoi/Rajas
Amemet +1/Warwolf/Hachiryu/Hachiryu
+14 STP


SAM/WAR 6-hit TP:
Soboro/Sword/Yoichi/Antlion
Turban/Torque/Bushi/Brutal
Usukane/Dusk+1/Rajas/Toreador's
Forager's/Bullwhip/Byakko's/Fumas
24% Haste, -3% Delay

SAM/WAR WS:
Soboro/Sword/Yoichi/Antlion
Viking/Torque/Vulcan's/Vulcan's
Osode/Heafoc Mitts/Strigoi/Vulcan's
Amemet +1/Warwolf/Hachiryu/Hachiryu


*could probably use Soboro below if you're willing to tolerate Atilla's earring and Hoard Ring*

SAM/WAR 5-hit
Kokushit/Rose/Yoichi/Antlion
Turban/AF3 neck/Bushi/Brutal
Usu/Dusk +1/Rajas/Toreador's
Tactical Mantle/Bullwhip/Byakko's/Fumas
464 delay, 12.2TP base, 60 STP, 19.5 TP/hit. 24% Haste. 11 STP needed during WS.
1.745 attacks per round with the OA2-3 Kokushit, lower DPS than Soboro
1.49 attacks per round with the OAT Kokushit, 30% higher DPS than Soboro assuming 0 fSTR

WS:
Soboro/Rose/Yoichi/Antlion
Viking/Torque/Vulcan's/Vulcan's
Osode/Heafoc Mitts/Strigoi/Rajas
Amemet +1/Warwolf/Hachiryu/Hachiryu
+14 STP

[ZhiGaruda]

Holy shit. Two months later, Konda has finally figured out how to spell Namas.

Praise Jesus, for he hath saved

[EjinCaitsith]

Ideal as I see it at the moment:


SAM/WAR 6-hit TP:
Soboro/Sword/Yoichi/Antlion
Turban/Torque/Bushi/Brutal
Usukane/Dusk+1/Rajas/Toreador's
Forager's/Bullwhip/Byakko's/Fumas
24% Haste, -3% Delay



*could probably use Soboro below if you're willing to tolerate Atilla's earring and Hoard Ring*

SAM/WAR 5-hit
Kokushit/Rose/Yoichi/Antlion
Turban/AF3 neck/Bushi/Brutal
Usu/Dusk +1/Rajas/Toreador's
Tactical Mantle/Bullwhip/Byakko's/Fumas
464 delay, 12.2TP base, 60 STP, 19.5 TP/hit. 24% Haste. 11 STP needed during WS

While i agree 5hit is the best option, and i know we aren't 100% on what acc we need for new abyssea mobs, but these sets seem to be dangerously low on acc and i doubt they would cap on anything IT~. Especially the 5hit set, which is limited in what it can drop for acc without losing haste.

[FailureMidgard]

While i agree 5hit is best option, and i know we aren't 100% on what acc we need for new abyssea mobs, but these sets seem to be dangerously low on acc and i doubt they would cap on anything IT~. Especially the 5hit set, which is limited in what it can drop for acc.

There's a lot you can drop...That 5hit is using Bullwhip and Fumas. Could easily switch to Usu and Goading if you really need accuracy, and switch out all sorts of accuracy elsewhere...don't get me wrong, as I said before, I think Aces is generally bad, but 7 acc will basically always beat 1% haste if you use all the accuracy. The fact that Usu not only gives accuracy, but lets you drop STP elsewhere for more accuracy (back or neck or w/e) is pretty huge. I can see at least ~30 accuracy you can gain there and keep your 5hit.

And again, pizza is bad for Yoichi, for obvious reasons.

[Byrthnoth]

5-hit is actually easy to swap for Acc.
Tactical -> Cuchu, Fumas -> Usu feet. You lose 1% Haste and gain 15 Acc (and 22 Attack), also pick up 1 STP, so you could potentially swap AF3 neck for Ancient Torque and manipulate other things (WS gear, ring2?) to keep your 5-hit.

[EjinCaitsith]

Ideal as I see it at the moment:

I was only commenting on the sets he posted. I know there are many choices to manipulate the 5hit.

Edit: My only point was for 5hit you have to choose haste or acc. You should obviously always try and cap acc 1st and because of this will never be able to go max haste in any builds, except /drg. But that being said and as i agreed to, 5hit is worth it.

[EjinCaitsith]

Inb4 WS builds with 30+ STP in them.

[Byrthnoth]

Eh, it's kind of unnecessary to make builds like that. If you sacrifice the 1% Haste I mentioned, the 5-hit /WAR has more Acc than the 6-hit /WAR (even if you swap all Acc in for the 6-hit). Then you're looking at a 6% Delay and 1% Haste difference between the 5 and 6 hit though, along with Kokushit being an inferior weapon for spamming Namas.

Soboro 6-hit with 15% DA is 3.05 rounds to 100TP on average with 95% Acc.
Kokushit 5-hit with 15% DA is 3.04 rounds to 100TP on average with 95% Acc.

I don't know what's best. I'm just throwing ideas out there. In retrospect, it seems pretty silly to ever use the OAT Kokushit though. /WAR still has to sacrifice Haste to 5-hit Soboro (21% Haste is the best I can see, it's the DRG gear without Wyvern earring). /DRG doesn't have to sacrifice Haste to 5-hit (26% Haste ftw).

Now, if you're going to be playing with 2 BRDs, a COR, and a DNC, you should 5-hit /DRG for sure. Without doing any math at all, I can tell you that the WS frequency bonus is going to outweigh any benefit you may get from Berserk. If you're not going to play with that many buffers (aka, 4 buffers in your party), it looks like Berserk could be a considerable damage boost. Wivres are a high defense mob and you weren't getting Dia III, Box Step, etc. However, in the average party you also wouldn't expect to get 2 Minuets and an 11 Chaos Roll.

[Konda]

Holy shit. Two months later, Konda has finally figured out how to spell Namas.

Praise Jesus, for he hath saved

not mi folt am dislexik

[urat]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Don't fucking build a relic for its stats if you're doing it yourself. Who gives a shit if x relic is 2% slower dps than y relic, its a fucking relic. A fucking 200 million gil weapon that screams Epeen and I'm better than you.

If anyone wants to tell you your relic sucks or isn't as good as x weapon, tell them to fuck off and make their own. Once again, its a goddamn relic weapon.

I can think of 1 exception and that would be getting excalibur before Aegis if pld is your main.

[Plow]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Don't fucking build a relic for its stats if you're doing it yourself. Who gives a shit if x relic is 2% slower dps than y relic, its a fucking relic. A fucking 200 million gil weapon that screams Epeen and I'm better than you.

If anyone wants to tell you your relic sucks or isn't as good as x weapon, tell them to fuck off and make their own. Once again, its a goddamn relic weapon.

I can think of 1 exception and that would be getting excalibur before Aegis if pld is your main.

You truly never cease to amaze.

[Nightfyre]

I have this sudden urge to build a Claustrum

[Trill]

Gearing Namas isnt exactly rocket science. the whole point of the thread was to discuss the viability of 5hit instead of 6hit. Trading some haste for a reduced swing to 100tp.

If you'd actually read the thread and managed to pick out the useful posts that were dotted among the usual BG bickering, then you'd realise that it was a pretty informative thread and I wouldnt have to call you stupid for coming in and basically saying what everyone else has said.



Just because you have Yoichi, it doesn't mean it's a better relic.



By this definition, then G.horn is the only "game breaking" relic. Followed by exal and apoc. Suggesting that an Aegis is in any way game breaking is just laughable. It holds a slight advantage when taking magic damage, but besides that, I can think of absolutly no situation where somebody has only said "if only our tank had an aegis "

Whereas Amano is a significant step up from Hagun. (talking lv75 ffxi here). Kaiten alone ensures the significant boost. I didn't want to believe it at first, but even when using Gekko, Amano was at an advantage. It was similar performance to 5-hit Tomoe on birds, that alone should speak volumes about how good it is. yes, yoichi is better in these situations with full buffs, but it's usefulness drops off alot quicker than Amano's. Suggesting Amano is a marginal upgrade from Hagun (still talking in lv75 terms here) only reveals your ignorance on the subject.



This paragraph is barely legible, but what I think you're trying to suggest is relic weapons can't be compared on merit level mobs because another job would be better? then something about aegis.

As far as I can tell, Aegis is the most completed relic simply because back in 2003 and 2004, pld was the only available tank. because of this, linkshells were more inclined to sponser the main tank of the linkshell for a relic that would, as they saw it, benefit the whole linkshell. The same mentality applies with G.horn.
What is Aegis used for these days? reducing magic damage and blocking a little more damage when you're trying to cast Ichi.




So SAM can't tank? Again, you beg to be called stupid, but I'll refrain.

SAM can tank excellently on a wide range of mobs. Unlike traditional tanks; PLD, NIN, RDM... it can do a significant amount of damage while tanking.


And lv80 has changed everything. the conclusion of this thread was at lv75, 5hit was unviable due to dropping too many essential stats in other areas. However, with lv80 and the associated new Items and higher skills, 5-hit is not only viable but significantly better. Failure explained it all (to me because I didnt know about the new items, i might add) in the relic augment thread.


One more thing... Before you post your next reply, Copy and paste it into word and correct all the red and green squiggly lines. Thanks, that'll save us all having to copy it into google translate for Double Dutch to understand what you're trying to say.

ahh i think my feeling are a bit hurt .. Mr.Konda the internet english teacher doesnt think i can formulate correctly structured sentences on an internet forum. my day is ruined lol. but i must say lol at ur aegis comment.. just lol. I dont think it anything else can be said to that. instead of screaming to be called stupid u made your stupid. But meh what should i expect. But yeah let me know how your non-aegis tank does at a 4 man Yilbacanator(tier IV VNM). or blood tanking DI,cerb,faf,nid,khim. Now im not saying a non aegis pld cant tank anything; there very well can but it needs alot more support and alot more help. sigh its really nothing more to say >.>. And if u never been to an event where an aegis woulda be hugely noticeable then my brother please get of of sky.

~On and again for the one who cant read, never said yoichi was better, said i think its better my personal opinion, which could and may very well be wrong; let me go cry a river, build a bridge and get over it.
~ and nobody said sam cant tank, sam can tank alot of things great, but again except for anything that is major important. Show me the sam that can tank AV,PW, even nidhogg without a ton of cure bombing,Any of the new abyssea high lvl nms i.e Glaviod,Kukulan(spelling), and yes i will glady admit im wrong.
~ and i read the posts and there wasnt much usefullness til when failure and eing started posting; everything was a useless dicksize contest with an occasional --simi useful fact here--. But i digress since obviously im stupid and all