Heading back stateside from Afghanistan tomorrow.

[Rhinox]

Because the hive mind of the military decided


Lets go shoot shit! LOLZ!

Oversimplification but yes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militar...strial_complex

[*Shinzon*]

I disagree to an extent, it is entirely the soldiers fault. We have a volunteer military, which means soldiers volunteer to fight these unjust wars.

To an extent I blame the social construct in which the military is the only reasonable job path for many soldiers coming from poor socio-economic background, and as such they pretty much sign up or join a gang(or frequently join a gang and THEN join the military).

But at the end of the day, if soldiers didn't volunteer to fight in these worthless wars, we wouldn't be able to fight them, so the blame is almost entirely on them.


The worst part isn't even the fact that we fight these wars, it's that we don't even get anything out of it, if we REALLY invaded Iraq for their oil and Afghanistan for their Lithium, I'm all for that, Imperialism ftw, might makes right all day long.

However that's not what we're doing, just like the korean war, vietnam, first iraq war, and others, they're all just busy-work. Hell America didn't even have legit reasons to enter WW1 and WW2, we're just fucking bored apparently.

If America wants to be an empire then it should do so and make no qualms about it, but starting these worthless wars that cost us money because we have nothing better to do with our soldiers is stupid...and soldiers are stupid for signing up for it.

What do soldiers really have to be proud of? What have they accomplished?

Fucking nothing.

Want to be a real patriot?, at least steal a fucking oil barrel well you're there.

Ok I'd agree with you also to an extent because you are right. It's unfortunate that the evidence falsified by the bush administration combined with moral outrage and patriotic propaganda led us blindly into war. That said, soldiers can not pick and choose their battles when they are obliged to act as our tool of war and peace despite their personal reasons for service. As cliche as that statement is, once we were there it became very difficult to just pickup and leave without putting our soldiers and the Iraqi society in greater danger, though I suppose you'll view that differently. Ideally we would have gone in with an exit strategy and not attempted to completely dissolve and attempt to change the fundamental basis of Iraqi society, but then again the Bush Administration was so ass-backwards that nothing was done right.

To address the second bold, plenty good can be done despite the wrong done. I don't think it's fair to assume that active servicemen are only capable of wrongdoing, something that a lot of people misunderstand about military service. Though if you examine the aspect of good done from the balance perspective you might not be capable of seeing the good outweighing the bad, or recognizing it. Which is a fair position to take considering the circumstances.

[Xzerios]

It may be possible there Mr Rhinox, if it is then shame shame. I guarantee most of the military members dont join for those reasons.

Lastly, the shear idea of the military-industrial complex makes me want to break out the tinfoil hats. Again, not saying that it may be the reasoning, but holding to it as if it were makes me lol.

[BerenTebogo]

I don't see any effectual responses coming from the troops so, Kuya/Sath/Darus/Rhinox/etc., I wrote this big long post and edited it a million times, what do you think?

One of your more succinct and accurate posts. The truth is that there are those who do inherently love their country unflinchingly who happen to be poor (although their faith and devotion is based on principles mired in lies and exploitation, though that's another story entirely) so that can always be thrown at you as a rebuttal. On the whole though, I think that you are entirely and unwaveringly correct.

The military complex in the United States is a means to an end. Honestly try to think of how many years, total, since 1900 that we haven't been engaged in some form of "war" whether for our safety or not (hint: Vietnam had nothing to do with our safety and we sent thousands of our children to death in an attempt to capture a strategic military position in southeast asia.) The answer is very, very low. The public is much easier to control during wartime, it's just a fact. When we have too much time on our hands we start to notice just how ridiculous and ineffective our government really is.

Critiquing a government during wartime, however, earns you the spite of your fellow countrymen and forces you to silently bite your tongue and soldier on through it, as it were.

It's a shame really, the only people you can intelligently have this conversation with already agree with you. Making it somewhat of a circle-jerk express. But when saying even a positive fact about the military with a negative connotation earns you the strong ire of your fellow countrymen, and they immediately go on the offensive without any rational thought, what are you left with?

Fucking irrational national fundamentalists, how do they work?

[Arvin]

One day while Andy was masturbating, Woody got wood. He could no longer help himself! He watched as Andy stroked his juicy kawaii cock. He approached Andy which startled him and made him pee everywhere on the floor and all over Woody too. Being drenched in his urine made him harder than ever!

Woody : " Andy Senpai! I'm alive and I want to be INSIDE OF YOU. "

Andy: " Oh Woody Chan! I always knew you were alive! I want to stuff you up in my kawaii ass!"

Woody grabbed a bunch of flavored lube and rubbed it all over his head.

Woody: " Oh my! It's cherry flavored lube! Cherry is my favorite!"

Woody then stuffed his head up into Andy's tight ass! The other toys around the room watched intently as Woody shoved his head back and forth into Andy's nice ass, continuously making a squishy wet noise. The other toys also became aroused and they all gathered around Woody and Andy and started to urinate all over them, and then they started to masturbate.
Andy: " Oh my goodness, Woody Chan! You are churning my insides up so well! Your nose is stimulating my prostate! OH YES!

All of the other toys became so aroused by this, that they could not help themselves anymore! They pushed Woody completely inside , and they all went inside. All of them wanted to be inside Andy's nice round ass.

Andy: " No wait! guys! My ass cannot hold this much! im getting so full!"

All the toys went inside of poor squirming Andy and pretty much, he was beyond full, and died from having his insides completely damaged. The mother came inside and found Andy, dead with a huge ass hemorrhage on his anus, with a HUGE belly full of toys.

[Arvin]

thumbs up soldier

http://i47.tinypic.com/ir00ae.gif

[Cantih]

Lastly, the shear idea of the military-industrial complex makes me want to break out the tinfoil hats.

It's not conspiracy exactly, but rather an expression of humanity's tendency to suck.
I can quite literally go tl;dr on this, so I'm going to cut a fuckton of shortcuts, and this is going to come out as crap, but it's that or write a whole goddamn paper.

Power wants to perpetuate itself, and as it increases it needs more infrastructure, it gets more complex. When you add people, in their full variety and ability to both do right and fuck up, to this, you get something like Hanlon's razor. Though it's neither malice or incompetence exactly, but more the compounding you see in a game of telephone.

[Sworrub]

Skimmed thread, too much trolling .

Those who've served, fuck yeah.

I'm sitting here in the barracks and playing MW2. Good shit. Spent a little time leveling in FFXI tonight to 76 on RNG... disconnected since I was too tired to play at a lower level...

Seriously, it's great to be back. We had our celebration and stuff, since none of my family was there and live back in NC, a few buddies in the same predicament and I walked to the shoppette when we were released, got some beer, and continued to the barracks. Here I am, like eight hours later still awake, and what for? I gotta get my car in a little bit, fuck.

Fuck yeah... Just... fuck yeah. It's so great to be back.

Edit: I'm actually "Burrows," not a joke character of anyone except myself. Was banned a whiiiiile back for posting joke political things that were frowned upon, I won't make the same mistake again -- my bad. Still a real person and a real soldier, though.

[Sworrub]

Oh, and yes, there is too much "hive mind" in the military.

Thanks for the welcome back replies, guys. It feels really good. I teared up a little bit after we were called to attention and the families and all were cheering, hurraying, etc. It sucks my family wasn't there, but not all of us can afford having families travel cross-country.

I'm glad they released us like they did, it didn't take very long, the rear detachment guys played their part really well in getting our bags to us at the barracks.

Fuck, just... fuck. God bless those guys... and everyone who's served.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

Soldiers are dumb and we shouldn't have been involved in WWII.

How do you explain the latter part?

And if the military is one big welfare program why don't you libs love it?

[Mistress Stowastiq]

Oh, and yes, there is too much "hive mind" in the military.

Thanks for the welcome back replies, guys. It feels really good. I teared up a little bit after we were called to attention and the families and all were cheering, hurraying, etc. It sucks my family wasn't there, but not all of us can afford having families travel cross-country.

I'm glad they released us like they did, it didn't take very long, the rear detachment guys played their part really well in getting our bags to us at the barracks.

Fuck, just... fuck. God bless those guys... and everyone who's served.

Welcome back, I did not know of the burrows name so my impressions start with you. Sounds like you are settling in rather well.

[Darus Grey]

How do you explain the latter part?

Maybe you should read a book sometime. Cliffnotes version: We took sides in Europe in WW1 and WW2 due to heavy zionist influence in the US and we provoked Japan into attacking us.

And if the military is one big welfare program why don't you libs love it?

Maybe they do, try asking a liberal next time.

[BerenTebogo]

I think Rhinox is the only actual Liberal posting in this thread at the moment to be honest.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

Maybe you should read a book sometime. Cliffnotes version: We took sides in Europe in WW1 and WW2 due to heavy zionist influence in the US and we provoked Japan into attacking us.

We had no business in WWII freezing assets/oil embargo or we had no business responding to the attack on pearl harbor?

[Rhinox]

Lol

[Cadsuane]

The truth is that there are those who do inherently love their country unflinchingly who happen to be poor (although their faith and devotion is based on principles mired in lies and exploitation, though that's another story entirely) so that can always be thrown at you as a rebuttal.

That bit really troubles me too. I've been thinking for awhile about how to clarify that point, but it's been tricky. Took me several tries just to write these two sentences.

I don't think any way you spin it, the reality that the military employs the glut of its labour from the lower classes who join primarily due to a lack of options is definitely not how the military is popularly portrayed. The implication that a soldier's death may have come about due to social circumstances compelling them into the service, for example, spoils the schoolboy military fantasy of dying for god and country, and renders flat any platitude laden eulogy.

[Rhinox]

[Rhinox]

btw you can blame Hollywood to a large extent for playing up this fantasy that risking your life for god and country even in meaningless conflicts is heroic. When you churn out military movies left and right it unintentionally serves as recruitment tools for JROTC departments in High Schools in poor neighborhoods

To a much smaller extent the same could be said about Video Games like Call of duty and Medal of Honor.

[Cantih]

http://skippyslist.com/2010/06/23/sg...tirement-list/