Emancipation of the Bard

[Zansho]

I don't really have a problem with lvling my bard to 80 - I wouldn't lvl a job if I didn't like it.

I actually do enjoy pulling in meripo and seeing 25-30k exp/hour and knowing my pulling/buffing is being a big part of that.

That being said, my LS asks me to come on my DDs (WAR/SAM/MNK) probably about 85% of the time. /shrugs I don't bitch when they ask me to come bard, although, I DO bitch when they ask me to sub /NIN for events. I'd much rather be /WHM, and I can make a better argument for it now that /WHM will be getting haste.

[Cesaria]

Tempted to solo BRD to 80 as /BST just to annoy all the melee seeking in Whitegate.










Just kidding. I think.

Bwahahahah - can I come join you COR/BST? :D Imagine the rage that would ensue then!

This is the real G6 quest btw - claim a BRD among all the other people seeking.

[Callisto]

What people don't understand about support is that unless your directly interacting with a mob you are not effected as much by not being at max level.

Should probably point out that COR buffs are actually nerfed if the targets are more than a couple levels higher than the COR.

[Ahrana]

That said, I'm in the unique position of having eight jobs leveled and not really liking any of them except my most recent (Dancer). Of the other seven, I think Bard may actually be the one I hate the least. I don't know what's so bad about it aside from the occasional WHM who refuses to stand back for ballads because TCH WHMS HAVE THIS SPELL CALLED ESUNA AND I USE IT (true story).

Learn to use pianissimo + ballard II. If your whitemage is standing within AoE range they probably have a good god damn reason too. Like fighting bats in einherjar.

Too bad none of your eight jobs taught you how to play white mage.

[Zansho]

Learn to use pianissimo + ballard II. If your whitemage is standing within AoE range they probably have a good god damn reason too. Like fighting bats in einherjar.

THIS X100000 I have a separate macro set for when I need to Pianissimo (insert song here) for specific people. I can Pianissimo my RNGS Minuet x2, my RDMs and WHMS their Ballads, and then run in when I have to cast my Marches and Minuets on the rest of the melee, while all at the same time watching out for sleeps and cures and -na spells.


Bard isn't boring if you do it right - the only time I find it monotonous is in exp, and it's starting to look a bit better now :D

[Kalisa]

Learn to use pianissimo + ballard II. If your whitemage is standing within AoE range they probably have a good god damn reason too. Like fighting bats in einherjar.

Too bad none of your eight jobs taught you how to play white mage.

blah blah not going out of my way to make their lives easier when they won't meet me halfway. They can use Sacrifice, and this particular WHM stands in melee range for things she definitely doesn't need to stand in for--fat bats? Sure. Fomors? Sure. Nightmare birds? Haha. Nightmare Sheep? k now not only are you asking me to pianissimo you, but wake your ass up unnecessarily too.

Nice try at flaming though, 4/10 for effort.

[Killo]

Do what I did to stop playing brd.

Quit the game. Haha

[Zansho]

Don't assume one fail whm makes an entire job. You might wanna have a little discussion with him/her for putting themselves in harm's way needlessly.

I play with some awesome whms who know their jobs inside and out, and they work with me very well to get shit done.

There's a difference between bards who play the job intelligently, and bards who just play it to get easy merits/exp.

[Kalisa]

Don't assume one fail whm makes an entire job. You might wanna have a little discussion with him/her for putting themselves in harm's way needlessly.

I play with some awesome whms who know their jobs inside and out, and they work with me very well to get shit done.

There's a difference between bards who play the job intelligently, and bards who just play it to get easy merits/exp.

Hey, the original post the troll was trying to flame me about said "the occasional WHM" not "WHMs." I don't need to be told there are terrible people playing each job, and I have no problem making a little extra effort for people who aren't morons. It's not me who made a blanket statement, just you guys misinterpreting. Anyway, I did try to have a talk with this one and the Esuna line that I spouted in all caps is what I got in return--thus the "true story" in parentheses after it.

[Anns]

That being said, my LS asks me to come on my DDs (WAR/SAM/MNK) probably about 85% of the time. /shrugs I don't bitch when they ask me to come bard, although, I DO bitch when they ask me to sub /NIN for events. I'd much rather be /WHM, and I can make a better argument for it now that /WHM will be getting haste.

I usually play /whm but lately Ive been liking to /nin so much more, it's great for events, I can keep shadows up fast, do my songs and help with lullabies. /whm is too much of a distraction for me x.x

Orz, the only other DD i get to play with is RNG, and only for Odin ._. but I guess that's ok, most melee jobs bore me to death (yeah, i'm one of those weird creatures who like being BRD but find sam or war to be utterly boring u.ú).


And... best advice ever: Like everyone else said, Pianissimo WHMs. It's not hard ^^

[Silenka]

I have absolutely no problem taking my support jobs up to 80. I'll probably leave WHM and RNG behind as the last jobs I take to 80, but honestly as much as I love SMN, DNC got way better stuff this time around and it is going to 80 first, with SMN close behind it.

The only thing I'm not looking forward to is trying to get a party for SMN... might have to campaign that bitch to 80 =/

[Phraust]

You do realize that the bards that arent' crying babies and just play will be the first people to enjoy the new content and get shit right?

[Ahrana]

blah blah not going out of my way to make their lives easier when they won't meet me halfway. They can use Sacrifice, and this particular WHM stands in melee range for things she definitely doesn't need to stand in for--fat bats? Sure. Fomors? Sure. Nightmare birds? Haha. Nightmare Sheep? k now not only are you asking me to pianissimo you, but wake your ass up unnecessarily too.

Sacrifice takes time and mp to cast, and to pull 2 status effects you have to be in solace. To esuna 2 status effects you have to be in misery. In many of the situations where you would be using esuna the baddy is using far more then the 1 AoE status effect per minute. That math just doesn't work.

But now we're getting into the zone of "shit's situational," and it makes a big difference that you're listing specific monsters. Nightmare birds are a definate no, as are einherjar slimes, and other baddies that have lethal AoE's. I would say that nightmare sheep are worth staying in though, since you can either pop a poison fruit or use sublimation to wake yourself up and then use a 30 mp cura (27 with light arts) to wake up your entire party, which allows you to use your 2nd spell to wake up other healers. Nightmare cactuars are another baddy that I will stay in against, since healing ~200 hp after 1k-5k needles with just 27 mp is big for efficiency.

On a similar note, if I'm in with the melees it's because I'm in a situation where I think I can make good use of cura and esuna, which don't have the best recast timers. I actually prefer to get hit with a march + ballard II when in these situations, so if you can make that happen then I'm a happy camper.

[Kalisa]

I would say that nightmare sheep are worth staying in though, since you can either pop a poison fruit or use sublimation to wake yourself up

Would work if they actually did that, but instead I have to make sure I, on bard, am excessively carefully navigating so that I can give melees songs and be out of AoE range as much as possible to wake the deadbeat.

On a similar note, if I'm in with the melees it's because (blah blah)

I never said WHMs don't have a reason to be in melee range, so I don't know who you're arguing with. I'm talking about prisses I've run into who use Esuna as an excuse to hump the mob ALL THE TIME regardless of what's being fought. Also, I have WHM leveled. ;o

march + ballard II

There's no R in ballad.

[Narol]

ballard II

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/ts/166.jpg

[Ashira]

I think Bard may actually be the one I hate the least. I don't know what's so bad about it aside from the occasional WHM who refuses to stand back for ballads because TCH WHMS HAVE THIS SPELL CALLED ESUNA AND I USE IT (true story).

Let me guess, that was paired with "BRDS HAVE PIANISSIMO AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO USE THAT TOO.

[Ashira]

Meh, I'm nearly full time Solace; it's when we're in Ein or something with annoying ghost dog things that I swap to Misery. I alternate Sacrifice and Erase if I have to on statuses... there's very little reason to be full time hanging with the melee, unless it's the very specific situations like above, where you want to get Defense/Attack Down off quickly. And even then it's limited, because if it gets spammed, your recast is poopy.

[TelosIllumini]

I'm not in a hurry to level BRD to 80 tbh, as many people pointed out before me, those 5 levels won't make a significant difference on our current content pre update.

I'm gonna be PUP only instead, suck on eeeeeeet.

[Baelorn]

You do realize that the bards that arent' crying babies and just play will be the first people to enjoy the new content and get shit right?

I'll be sure to congratulate them on their new songs that allow them to experience all the content they would have otherwise missed out on.

[Zephirian]

I actually enjoy Bard, so that will be either my first (Or be tied with WHM from campaign) 80. I'm glad people are considering not leveling jobs so they "don't have to come brd". I'm sick and tired of people who leveled a fuckin' job, and won't even play it.

If you don't wanna play it, de-level it to LV. Useless.