RDM Tanking Post 6/21 - they all give 1CE/300VE now

[Shin Volcano]

Im sorry but ive never seen a rdm that could outtank a decent PLD the whole way through, Duo tank would be the best while ping ponging hate, rdm could get hate but never hold stride with a good PLD. And yes SE wants us to play the jobs as they were intended to be used, Welcome back to playing rdm the way it was spose to be played.

Hey i agree, i mean NIN was meant to be a tank and they changed it to...

wait. what?

[MayorBee]

The day people listen to Nervosa give advice on ANY way to play a job is the day SE will tell you how to beat AV legitimately.

[Deluge]

No mention of the hate from blue equivalents nerfed right? Blu sleeps (soporific and sheep song) and dispel (blank gaze) have the same enmity values. /blu can replace /rdm for pld on stuff like JoL or ouryu. The only thing that will be badly effected is rdm/nin if the nerf is severe enough.

[Kaces]

Im sorry but ive never seen a rdm that could outtank a decent PLD the whole way through, Duo tank would be the best while ping ponging hate, rdm could get hate but never hold stride with a good PLD. And yes SE wants us to play the jobs as they were intended to be used, Welcome back to playing rdm the way it was spose to be played.

you bring plds to kv?

[Vincento]

Im sorry but ive never seen a rdm that could outtank a decent PLD the whole way through, Duo tank would be the best while ping ponging hate, rdm could get hate but never hold stride with a good PLD. And yes SE wants us to play the jobs as they were intended to be used, Welcome back to playing rdm the way it was spose to be played.

This is amazing.

[Crab_Cake]

Aisha: Ichi
NIN Lv.78
Teaches the ninjutsu Aisha: Ichi.
Uses the ninja tool, "soshi." Weakens an enemy's attack.

- "Enmity generation for the following spells has been adjusted:
Sleep / Sleep II / Dispel / Blind / Blind II / Bind"

The white magic spell "Aquaveil" will now guard against spell interruption a set number of times.

They should just level cap NIN at 49(so it can't reach level 75+) and only allow PLD to sub NIN(screw the other jobs).

Might as well give Absolute Virtue additional effect: Permaban because SE never wants anything to change or stray too far away from their intended designs.

/QQs.

[Shin Volcano]

Aisha: Ichi
NIN Lv.78
Teaches the ninjutsu Aisha: Ichi.
Uses the ninja tool, "soshi." Weakens an enemy's attack.


......

Call me crazy but...



wasn't NINs roll to NOT get hit? why do they need an ATTACK down enfeeble? silence, even defense down would have been acceptble but ATTACK...?

[Tsuko_Asura]

I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say that either NIN has quite a few new spells coming its way along the line, or that spell does more than its description is telling us.

[Eugene]

Successful troll is successful.

[Shin Volcano]

I wanted at LEAST Jubaku: Ni...

and it's ichi, you'll probably get hit while trying to cast the damn thing.

[Shenrien]

I wanted at LEAST Jubaku: Ni...

and it's ichi, you'll probably get hit while trying to cast the damn thing.

cause casting it at the start of a fight while you have shadows up is just not a viable option.

[Koyangi]

This wont stop resourceful red mages from tanking, 2.5k cure cheats were always the overpowered part of the hate generation anyway and bar spells can more than cancel VE deterioration. What I'm more concerned about is the aquaveil changes. It used to be possible to cap your spell interruption with aquaveil for 15 minutes, if that wears off after 5 hits now or some bullshit it'll be pretty worthless as a survivability tool.

whats a cure cheat? and 2.5k o.O

[Konda]

NIN/DRK is by no means dead by this adjustment, especially if they only fiddle the VE part of sleep.

Depending on what this new Ninjutsu does, and the hate it generates, it could replace sleep in the hate cycle.

However, I'm expecting something along the lines of a bio1 level decrease in attack.

On the flip side, it might work on Magic Attack too, which would instantly make NIN "useful" again for the 1st time since 2004 or whenever PLD became "mainstream" and they removed the TP floor.





Also, did no1 else notice that they just "nerfed" the tank they used in the official AV Video?

[Shin Volcano]

cause casting it at the start of a fight while you have shadows up is just not a viable option.

Oh right, if only it had an infinite duration and stayed up at all times.

[Ashira]

I guess I just don't see the issue terribly with Aquaveil, but I wasn't a spell interruption rate crazy person when I RDM tanked. I'd throw it on, sure, but typically tried to not let it get to the point where it was an issue.

[Mercilessturtle]

No mention of the hate from blue equivalents nerfed right? Blu sleeps (soporific and sheep song) and dispel (blank gaze) have the same enmity values. /blu can replace /rdm for pld on stuff like JoL or ouryu. The only thing that will be badly effected is rdm/nin if the nerf is severe enough.

The sleeps are too long of a recast to matter much (30 and 45 with capped recasts), only blank gaze will be any real help. Also, pld loses out on magic def bonus that way, and rdm could /blu on those fights too if they needed to.

[Draylo]

Or just use an actual blu....

[Keichan]

I'm thinking that there are ways around this. Sleep II/Sleep/Dispel/Blind were nice spells to use, and if they even just decrease the hate by a half, the job as a tank is still playable. Now if they reduced the CE to 1 (like all the other RDM Spells), then RDM can resort to using Enspell II's (80 CE) which is 1/4th the effectiveness normally.

With a slight change with the start of each fight, instead of using the MP efficient Sleep/Dispel/Sleep II cycles, instead resort to HP<->MP Conversion gear and use Cure IV for hate.

Especially with the new rings such as Meridia Ring (+90 HP) and Bifrost Ring (70HP<->MP Conversion) along with the old gear such as Gigant Mantle, Bomb Queen etc etc etc, I can find it feasible to be able to create 400 HP to cure yourself (similar to what PLD's do, except you're a RDM, so you have more MP to do it). With a full pool of MP and about 10 Cure IV's + Convert (Not including the convert MP pool), you can hit 50%+ of the CE. (Assuming you have a decent Enmity Set to accompany this). After capping, it shouldn't be to difficult (Unless there is some massive hate reset move-- but then again, RDM's never dealt with that type of thing easily normally anyway)

[Mercilessturtle]

Or just use an actual blu....

You do realize that was never funny in the first place right?

[lolwut]

Or just use an actual blu....

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