RDM Tanking Post 6/21 - they all give 1CE/300VE now

[Crab_Cake]

I changed the title of the thread to show the enmity changes just because it's not worth posting in other threads.

WHM tank is probably the most viable "mage tank" now. Especially with Yagrush. Also Stoneskin cap increase would up its efficiency.

The new Job Trait "Divine Benison" (level 50) says it grants a bonus to enmity reduction to na spells .

[evilpaul]

SE was lazy. All 6 are now 1CE/300VE

Happy Version Update guys lol

Is Sleepga the same? It would make being on crowd control duty less potentially face-rapey....

[Khajit]

Go away, troll.

If RDM is able to use Death Blossom, then a SAM can use Gekko.

Fixed

[Kaeko]

Is Sleepga the same? It would make being on crowd control duty less potentially face-rapey....

I only checked the spells they mentioned changing before I logged.

You can do a very quick "eyeball" test like mercilessturtle did earlier though since it's easy to spot 1CE gainers vs. 100+ CE gainers. Also, -ga sleeps don't produce any VE unless it was changed, so that's another easy thing you can just eyeball.

[carmancilla]

So more cure cheats and maybe enspells 2 now for rdm CE gain? lol...

[Deadwing]

I think rdm tanks best bet at this point is to drag a level 10 summoner to the place you're tanking, have him setup to equip cassie earrings astral rings and physical earrings in a way that will get him 125 hp shaved off, then the red mage cures 2's him for hate. With a healthy enmity set this would be about 360 CE and 2k VE for only 24 mp.

This is of course not always piratical, but it would be possible.

[NervosaEternal]

Willing to put any amount of money on it that every person who posted against my opinion WAS a rdm 'tank' Have fun, carry on.

[Eugene]

and i'm equally sure they could out tank you pld

[Nightfyre]

I think rdm tanks best bet at this point is to drag a level 10 summoner to the place you're tanking, have him setup to equip cassie earrings astral rings and physical earrings in a way that will get him 125 hp shaved off, then the red mage cures 2's him for hate. With a healthy enmity set this would be about 360 CE and 2k VE for only 24 mp.

This is of course not always piratical, but it would be possible.

What's a cure cheat?

[Araelus]

What's a cure cheat?

1. HP- gear
2. HP+ gear
3. Cure

[Nightfyre]

1. HP- gear
2. HP+ gear
3. Cure

Rhetorical question. Guy suggested an elaborate method to generate hate that could be mimicked with two pieces of Zenith and an Ether ring.

[Kaeko]

Curing a low level has a significantly higher CE/VE generation than curing a level 75. Going with his lvl10 example, you would generate about 2.75x more hate per HP cured by curing a lvl10 instead of yourself at 75. Not saying it's practical though.

[Taruking]

It doesn't really make any sense. They obviously had no issue with RDM tanking before (based on AV's video), what prompted SE to make such a drastic change?

This really screws up lowman VNM group. We use NIN/DRK tank for T2 and RDM/NIN for T3, and now we have to bring in PLD which is less efficient and needs more support :/

[michaeldue]

It doesn't really make any sense. They obviously had no issue with RDM tanking before (based on AV's video), what prompted SE to make such a drastic change?

This really screws up lowman VNM group. We use NIN/DRK tank for T2 and RDM/NIN for T3, and now we have to bring in PLD which is less efficient and needs more support :/

SMN burn...

My Tank mob is running all over the place even if I sleep and dispel him 30 times and give him a few stone and thunder 1s also.

Its still possible to burn though but gotta watch diamond dusts a bit more if you have a low level sync.

Cause the cfh mob can run away from the horde easealy.

[Onorgul]

This really screws up lowman VNM group. We use NIN/DRK tank for T2 and RDM/NIN for T3, and now we have to bring in PLD which is less efficient and needs more support :/

Ninja should be able to generate Enmity even without Sleep and Bind. It might take a second longer, but Ninja tanking has only gotten a dent rather than losing its entire rear bumper and back seat.

[mijean]

how much enmity was it before the update ?

[Taruking]

The real question is - are these changes necessary? PLD/RDM is hit by the nerf too. They can always give PLD new toys to boost their enmity in situations where PLD are not allowed to melee for hate (not that they have problem giving PLD new stuff anyway). Why kill RDM and NIN/DRK tank when there is already a severe shortage of tank job in this game?

[Silenka]

Because SE did not intend RDM to be a tank, and SE wants us to play by their rules. Anyone remember the BRD tank nerf from way back when? Same deal.

[Taruking]

They used RDM tanks in AV fight lol.

There must be a reason why they suddenly feel the need to nerf RDM tank, VNM is the most likely explanation but it's only one event and PLD are capable of tanking pretty much everything else as good as RDM is not better.

[Silenka]

They used RDM tanks in AV fight lol.

There must be a reason why they suddenly feel the need to nerf RDM tank, VNM is the most likely explanation but it's only one event and PLD are capable of tanking pretty much everything else as good as RDM is not better.

Dev team isn't media team, doubt they really had much contact with each other aside from 'this is how we coded AV, go beat it'. Then again, I don't know much about that fight other than it was super lulz with zooming text and completely unhelpful. Anyway in my limited understanding of SE's inner workings, it doesn't matter if they used rdms to tank something in a video, if they don't want us doing it then that's that. Why else would they have nerfed it?