Walk of Echoes

**chazzyphizzle** · 2010-10-09 00:37

Does anyone know if the message varies for confluxes that aren't open yet? I.E; 6 on Odin currently says "faintest promise" of a battle. If nothing else, if it does change the closer you get to opening a conflux it might at least help nail down how many clears are required for an open. But if the dialogue doesn't change then fuck me.

**Khiinroye** · 2010-10-13 19:05

6 is open on bismarck, going to try that in a little.

Since the only info I found here was on the drops, here's what we saw:

Before pulling, the tigers and cerbs run extremely fast, like cactrot rapido. The tigers are very easy to kill, though something had a dispel added effect, I think crossthrash. Their tp moves did around 300-400 damage.

While we were killing the tigers, one of the cerbs ran into camp, so we had a sac mule take it away.

We killed 8 tigers, rebuffed, and then found the 2 cerbs on separate platforms at opposite ends of the area, no longer running around. While the cerbs were very squishy, it has something that causes amnesia, and gates of hades *needs* to be stunned, as damage is extremely high. We had an aegis / excal pld kill the 2nd from 10% in about 1 minute, since one of our stunners slacked off and we ate 1500-2000 damage from gates.

**Zethren** · 2010-10-25 15:27

Originally Posted by Psion

So TH affects the drop rate of coins?

Any comments on this?

**EjinCaitsith** · 2010-10-28 00:32

I've been doing Conflux 2 recently with 3(brd/whm sam/war and whm/sch). Each time it has been just us and no leeches coming in. We've cleared it 5 times now(only killing the 4 blob bosses and maybe a few slimes). All 5 times we have not seen 1 pouch from either the rank chests or the final chest. Has anyone else that low-mans come across this? Is it just bad luck or is there some sort of combine XP threshold to allow pouches to drop?

**Xera** · 2010-10-28 01:05

My group usually goes with 5+ sac. Doesn't exactly rain pouches for us either, not sure if larger groups get more or what but we've seen many runs without a single pouch. Then sometimes we see things like this...

[21:01:01]Your exemplary performance in battle has garnered you claim to the 5th place coffer!
[21:01:35]Obtain this item?
[21:01:38]Obtained: Frayed pouch of advancement.
[21:01:43]Obtain this item?
[21:01:46]Obtained: Austerity belt.
[21:01:51]Obtain this item?
[21:01:53]Obtained: Frayed pouch of decay.

**chazzyphizzle** · 2010-10-28 01:09

it is infuriatingly random

**Cream Soda** · 2010-10-28 08:22

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/15...choe/1/#946137

Spoiler: show

Originally Posted by Ragnarok.Harpunnik

Well decided to post a quick guide on how to get yourself some walk of echoes coins without a linkshell or too many friends that are interested in walk of echoes. I've been at walk of echoes by myself or with a handful of friends for a few weeks now.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k1...8-19-46-95.jpg

I have not lotted any coins I have not needed and mostly won my coins from one of the top 5 chests.

I generally didn't have much trouble being a so called "leech" at first. People we're normally friendly and didn't mind my help. These were the days of me coming WHM to help out. Generally these were actually very friendly JP shells. Once more linkshells started doing it, I ran into my problems. If I happened to have a winning lot the whole ls would begin to lot just so I wouldn't get that one little coin. I thought this was very petty and childish. A, if I can't have it, no one can have it attitude. I finally confronted someone that did this and one comment stuck in my head and inspired me. He said maybe if you don't suck so much you can just get your own chest and get your own coins. Thus began my days as PLD/WHM in walk of echoes.

There are a few jobs that can net a lot of exp, but PLD/WHM was the best choice available to me. I generally get about 13k exp on this job combo and can easily be in the top 5 if not #1 every time. Think of the goal in WoE as being able to score points in as many categories as possible, damage dealt, damage taken, hp cured, how much you buff, how much you enfeeble, etc.

Sets and linkshells typically have set event times. I knew when they went and was ready to have my character there. Kind of an unofficial ls member just showing to the event. Other than that, just check the area every now and then and be ready to retrace/recall and your good to go.

Allied notes. Doing this has eaten up my allied notes like crazy. Good way to stock up on those are some of the Campaign Ops you can do in the city, like street sweeper or crystal fist.

General conduct as a leech is also important. Don't go in lotting every type of coin that drops. All you will do is make enemies. Put what coin you want in your search message, and only lot that coin. No matter how much that linkshell tries to lot your coins away, never retaliate and lot other coins. Just be consistant and be nice. On rare occasions, pulls get messed up or what not. Since your solo, do a sack pull, or something that might greatly save the run. Show that you are willing to help the run win at all costs. Understand how the mob mechanics work, always back up so you don't aggro anything. You should NEVER be THE person who aggros an unwanted baby or boss, if you do, make up for your mistake and take it away and die in a corner somewhere. Ask to join the party or set, some have said ok and chucked me an invite. If you behave you will see good results. I have gotten a JP pearl out of it and I get invited into most sets now because they know i'm coming in no matter what, but i'm not going to be a huge jerk about it. Just stick with it, but don't be a douchebag.

Now I have run several ls runs into the zones and have been on the other side of the spectrum and had to deal with leeches. Here is my view on the whole thing. If your not putting in 36 players into the zone, you do not own the zone, plain and simple. You pay a measly 1k to go in...its almost free, you are not entitled to anything. Leeches are going to come in no matter what. Invite them to your party, make friends, ask them what coins they are lotting, they will be less inclined to lot all the coins. The linkshells that generally say they don't need extra help are the ones I normally see have the hardest time. Think of the leeches in your party as extra insurance that you will get the clear. Use walk of echoes to make new friends, don't be the douchebag that goes on a forum and is getting all pissy about someone lotting their coins. Your not investing gil like a namis glass or using some complicated strategy you've needed 3 months and a ton of research to figure out.

Also from general experience on drop rates, I find Decay Coins drop the most and Birth Coins drop the least (mostly from seeing cinflux #2 drops.)

Most people will probably flame this, and thats ok. But i'm hoping that maybe both sides can learn how to live with one another and perhaps be grown ups and make some friends...after all, the servers/communities are getting smaller.

**ronin sparthos** · 2010-10-28 09:15

/jealous

But he's right on a number of points - the top5 chests are the best way to get coins along with raw repetition. You can't go to WoE a few times and expect to be done if you don't expect to do 2-3 runs each time you go. Far too many people rush out there expecting coins to drop at an unrealistic rate when the only chamber being cleared by pugs reliably is #2.

Lotting one coin type during runs is an unofficial rule that came up during my experience as well. Putting that coin type in seacom works wonders. DO NOT BE A GREEDY FUCK.

Lastly i would add: If you join a linkshell run as a "leech", don't be a douchebag and poison your own water supply by lotting the treasure in main pool when you've come for coins. It's a great way to piss people off and likely slow your own progress towards weapon completion.

**Plow** · 2010-10-28 10:05

It's sad that they try to make an event for people to randomly go and have fun with other random people, and a post saying "Hey let's all be nice and respectful and maybe we can work together like reasonable friendly people" gets nothing but massive flames.

**kittycatrag** · 2010-10-28 13:55

Does each alliance in the conflux get a set of 1st-5th place chests? My separate little party was not part of the main alliance and we all got 1st-5th chests. I don't think my ghetto dnc outdid the pld or relic sam for real...

**chazzyphizzle** · 2010-10-28 14:04

no, there is only one set of coffers

**ronin sparthos** · 2010-10-28 14:27

Originally Posted by Plow

It's sad that they try to make an event for people to randomly go and have fun with other random people, and a post saying "Hey let's all be nice and respectful and maybe we can work together like reasonable friendly people" gets nothing but massive flames.

I agree with you to a point but walk of echoes is advertised as Campaign and winds up working like Dynamis.

Perhaps if the battles were self-programmed like a Campaign battle it'd be fun but people having to pull correctly, mobs agrroing entire alliances and the time limit being what it is (first agro starts it) makes this event clumsy and difficult to deal with in a PUG mindset. The upside obviously is that the rewards are fantastic and worth pursuing.

**EjinCaitsith** · 2010-10-28 19:56

We just did conflux 5, where at 20-25% Hydra used chainspell and spammed blink/SS/phalanx/haste/pro/shell and CS didn't wear. Last 25% it just stood there doing nothing but casting those spells over and over and an occasional melee attack. We've won many times with 5 people, but this is the 1st time I've even seen CS.

2min20sec~ log from when it used CS to when it died.(rly long)

Spoiler: show

**chazzyphizzle** · 2010-10-28 21:32

it's done that every time i've been in that chamber, i spam dispel on rdm and it never melees at all, it's nice.

**Plow** · 2010-10-29 09:18

Originally Posted by ronin sparthos

I agree with you to a point but walk of echoes is advertised as Campaign and winds up working like Dynamis.

Perhaps if the battles were self-programmed like a Campaign battle it'd be fun but people having to pull correctly, mobs agrroing entire alliances and the time limit being what it is (first agro starts it) makes this event clumsy and difficult to deal with in a PUG mindset. The upside obviously is that the rewards are fantastic and worth pursuing.

In WoW when random dungeons came out a lot of people dreaded it, and while there are mass quantities of total gimps, on the whole it improved the level of play (not to mention gear) all around immensely.

If people actually approached WoE somewhat like campaign, where they expect to go in and cooperate with others (of course there's occasionally the douche that takes a mob 50 miles away and soloes it for an hour), I think you'd see a huge improvement all around in the average skill level of players. As long as "leeches" are someone you refuse to invite/support/etc., the people complaining are going to remain the real source of the problem.

**Masenko** · 2010-10-29 13:18

Originally Posted by Plow

As long as "leeches" are someone you refuse to invite/support/etc., the people complaining are going to remain the real source of the problem.

I'm all for inviting leeches to the alliance.

And then warping them.

**arus2001** · 2010-10-29 13:38

Originally Posted by Masenko

I'm all for inviting leeches to the alliance.

And then warping them.

That's when they come back to your future runs and repeatedly train your group. Being a douche can go both ways.

**Masenko** · 2010-10-29 13:44

Usually the morons who leech end up training us anyway. We get retard drks who don't understand anything about how WoE works like half the time.

**Raenil** · 2010-10-29 14:55

Maybe if you invite them and inform them how it works, things would be different.

**vagus** · 2010-10-29 17:18

Our Ls has been clearing chambers since the release of WoE. About a month ago a few small groups of EU & JP starting clearing 2 only. Last few weeks leechers have appeared and starting to piss people off.

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