Walk of Echoes

[Tribe]

Far from full perle. Anyways though ill just re-read info already posted instead of dealing with ass-hats.

[Shenrien]

I've found BRD pretty OP for WoE, in 1-3 melee set + M.kris and Energy Drain spam, I can usually take 1st or 2nd every run, 5 & 6 are a bit rough when it comes to maintaining high MP spending but I can usually take 3-5th np.

[Babu]

Uh what? There's so many things shell leaders do for their people for no gain.

Never called your ability to lead your LS into question, you're reaching. Just pointing out that all the tears are unnecessary. Everyone has known for months that WoE works this way.

Zagex
I don't defend anyone who enters a zone, stands in the corner until the bosses are down and then lots all the loot. I do understand that people who don't have groups will come in and do what they can to improve their gear. You really can't call them leeches. You're low-manning a conflux that pugs do regularly and somehow you feel that you're skilled and they couldn't have done it without you? Not only that but you're bitching about loot that sells for like 20-30k... c'mon man



FYI I went with a few LS mates to abyssea - la thiene for a little more than a half an hour and we picked up two carabosse pop sets. This shit really doesn't take as long as you think it does and yes, full emp weapons are an option.

[Thorny]

Carabosse takes 10-12 hours to finish. Nobody cares, because that only applies to masamune and the second stage still has a timed pop NM that adds a pretty big timesink. Empyreans aren't out of reach, but it's a far cry to say it's a good replacement for WoE. In a 2-hour WoE run, you can walk out with about a mil each for a party of 6, while getting a nice handful of coins if nobody leeches your shit.. even an ideal group for Chloris/Glavoid is probably still looking at >30 hours to finish that stage.

[Babu]

Carabosse drops are needed for more than masamune. The weapons overlap each other similar to coins. 30+ hours? How in the hell do they expect anyone to finish these weapons. I take it back. 30+ hours is far too much of an investment to expect from anyone wanting the best weapons in the game. I think I'll go do something easier and less time consuming like a relic.

[Myrrh_Quetz]

I love how Babu went from justifying leeches to saying that everyone should just get Abyssea Emp Weapons.

[Thorny]

Carabosse drops are needed for more than masamune. The weapons overlap each other similar to coins. 30+ hours? How in the hell do they expect anyone to finish these weapons. I take it back. 30+ hours is far too much of an investment to expect from anyone wanting the best weapons in the game. I think I'll go do something easier and less time consuming like a relic.

30+ hours is not a lot. When you're considering it'd take a group of ~12 30+ hours, it becomes a lot. To be fair, you'd need to get each of them a weapon, and then you're looking at 360 hours: over 2 weeks of real time.

[FailureMidgard]

Carabosse drops are needed for more than masamune. The weapons overlap each other similar to coins. 30+ hours? How in the hell do they expect anyone to finish these weapons. I take it back. 30+ hours is far too much of an investment to expect from anyone wanting the best weapons in the game. I think I'll go do something easier and less time consuming like a relic.

What? 30 hrs is too much so you're gonna do a relic? Really? Have fun with that, lol...

[Thorny]

whoosh, though he's still a moron

[Babu]

What? 30 hrs is too much so you're gonna do a relic? Really? Have fun with that, lol...

Sarcasm. SE practically giving away weapons on par with shit that used to take months or years depending on how many you were trying to complete, but people still bitch about it. /shrug

It doesn't take 12 people to down Carabosse. As with many of the NM fights in abyssea, it's actually harder the more people you throw on it spamming tp. I would take more than the 3 we went at the T1 NMs with, but only enough to cover what's needed to trigger weakness which is more like 6 people.

We actually considered trying to trigger red !! if she goes below 40-50%. She's really squishy before benediction and unless she can somehow use this while staggered you could theoretically down her in roughly 3 minutes from pop to lot. Not reliable by any means, but you can cover 1/3 of the WS that might trigger it. Have your sammie 2 hour and /point and /laugh as she falls in short order.

[Thorny]

I wasn't talking about Carabosse when I said 12, now was I?

Also, if you're going to talk about 30 hours for first stage not being much.. let's say 50 hours total for a group of 12 to finish an empyrean that involves Tahrongi. That's 600 man-hours, if you make 250k/h you just lost a potential of 150mil.. there's your relic. Obviously not all people are capable of 250k/h, but I don't have much issue more than doubling it and you're talking about top tier groups to begin with ...

[Babu]

Well you quoted me talking about Carabosse and then said it takes a group of ~12 30+ hours... Anyway, I was being sarcastic. I don't really see emp weapons being incredibly easy especially considering we don't know what is to come in these trials leading up to 99. I was pointing out that if people can't go to a public event without raging about not being able to lock everyone else out of the zone, they should find something else to do. As long as people are entering conflux without a full team you will find people following them in trying to complete their weapons or get a piece of gear they want.

All of a sudden I'm the spokesman for leeching WoE because I think people are being immature or selfish for wanting to keep the zone/coins/loot all to themselves when it's clearly not how the zone was made. Ok, I guess.

[Holyman]

I wasn't talking about Carabosse when I said 12, now was I?

Also, if you're going to talk about 30 hours for first stage not being much.. let's say 50 hours total for a group of 12 to finish an empyrean that involves Tahrongi. That's 600 man-hours, if you make 250k/h you just lost a potential of 150mil.. there's your relic. Obviously not all people are capable of 250k/h, but I don't have much issue more than doubling it and you're talking about top tier groups to begin with ...

Not just you exaggerate shit here , & you call people that have all the right to enter zone & killing stuff , given they have the requirements & all the right to do so , "leeches" , but lying too?

There is no big sales in WoE beside Forban Cape & that WHM neck.

Since when people who participate in event that SE made it puplic called leeches ? you can't reserve it for yourself , & you gotta admit they help in way or another . Now blame SE if you can.

I just feel sorry for idiots & whoever pay you that much for the junk you sell.

[ronin sparthos]

Not just you exaggerate shit here , & you call people that have all the right to enter zone & killing stuff , given they have the requirements & all the right to do so , "leeches" , but lying too?

There is no big sales in WoE beside Forban Cape & that WHM neck.

Since when people who participate in event that SE made it puplic called leeches ? you can't reserve it for yourself , & you gotta admit they help in way or another . Now blame SE if you can.

I just feel sorry for idiots & whoever pay you that much for the junk you sell.

Supply and Demand in an MMO? No way.

[vagus]

Back to WoE. Any tips for pulling the giant crabs?

[ronin sparthos]

Back to WoE. Any tips for pulling the giant crabs?

You can either:

A. Use alliance hate to your advantage, having 2 people party up with one person agrroing and dying so the crabs path back to your second person who is where you want to fight the Caldera.

B. Kill normal crabs then move away from the deathpoint. Odds are a Caldera will come from the starting position to stand on the DP. Sometimes they come alone and other times 1-2 crab may follow.

[zagex]

Not only that but you're bitching about loot that sells for like 20-30k... c'mon man

Stuff in conflux 5 sells for a lot more than 20-30k

[Babu]

We haven't been talking about Conflux 5. It was assumed and probably correct that if you're clearing with a group of ~7 then you're not clearing Conflux 5. Actually Xena mentioned the mobs as slimes so it's understood that they're clearing #2. Anyone who is low-manning clears or pugging(not a shell with a few adds, but an entirely random group) full groups will be doing #2 because it's easy. As a result the drops are flooded and don't sell for much.

[EjinCaitsith]

We haven't been talking about Conflux 5. It was assumed and probably correct that if you're clearing with a group of ~7 then you're not clearing Conflux 5.

Conflux 5 can be done with 4, but more safer with 5-6.

Anyways, just because there isn't something in the WoE system to prevent leeching, doesn't mean we should abandon a moral code of what's right and wrong. Leeching is wrong. I think everyone has made that clear to you. Just because you can rank 1st-5th on pld or dnc doesn't mean you did jack shit to contribute to the clear. Morality says you ask the people who are doing the clear to join. If they want to be nice and let you join, then great. If they don't, then you have no right (morally) to leech their work.

[Guitarman]

Conflux 5 can be done with 4, but more safer with 5-6.

mind sharing your strat? flux 2 is always bombarded by jp on shiva, so having a secondary option would be nice. I'm assuming a salvage chariot setup? mnk x2 etc?