Walk of Echoes

[Francisco]

I don't think dissolve is a full hate reset, only partial, but it's hard to say since I'm pretty picky with my enm- gear

[13:38:53] The Morbid Molasses uses Dissolve.
[13:38:53] 824 HP drained from Francisco.
[13:39:00] The Morbid Molasses uses Dissolve.
[13:39:00] 853 HP drained from Francisco.
[13:39:11] The Morbid Molasses uses Dissolve.
[13:39:11] 917 HP drained from Francisco.

6-7 other were there, including SAM, NIN and BLU - all doing WS and DD during the time between those Dissolves. Doesn't "prove" anything, but it's kinda obvious it's not a full hate reset if that happens. I didn't WS at any point between the first Dissolve and the last one - and I don't see how else a slowed MNK/NIN is gonna take the hate lead that fast from 0, especially with the other 3 DDs getting songs and haste (and the MNK being out of the party).

[Thorny]

It's cone.

[Francisco]

It's cone.

My log only listed the damage I took, and when I died, I saw the damage others took... so unless filters are causing it, I dunno...

So I experienced first hand the douchebaggery that is WoE today... I've joined a few PUG, leeched a few runs (while doing my part) and organized a few runs with LS. Today, I jumped in on a run of JPs and they were immediately like "get out". Maybe if they weren't dicks, I would have obliged. Anyway, they decided to wipe and MPK me. Except they sorta failed, and everyone died except for me. I pulled the boss away and held it for ~3-4 min before I died (should just kited it). They reraised and started spamming me tells to Home Point, to which I replied "I have Reraise" ... which was a lie. They refused to kill anything til I HP'd... I went afk and laughed my ass off as they timed out.

Feels good to do my part.

[Darkmagi]

People like you are the reason WoE is terrible really. No one wants the chance of someone leeching off of their run and screwing someone out of a box.

[Odin'sLaw]

People like you are the reason WoE is terrible really.

I'm presuming sarcasm? he didn't do anything wrong if anything he's a victim that got to walk away with a laugh....well maybe not a victim but no way the villain

[Darkmagi]

His intent was to leech though. I'm not saying I wouldn't do it to some random group of JPs, it's just how flawed the system is at the moment. No one(the sane people at least) likes leeches taking away their groups coins. A soloist can easily take away a low place chest from a support job, or from someone who happens to DC mid run.

[Plow]

Or people could stop being douchebags, work together and kill more shit faster.

But yeah, fuck that, I'd rather waste all of everyone's time than potentially help someone I don't know.

[Darkmagi]

One person leeching off of a 5 man group that will have no problem at all with the fight is not going to be an asset despite how "useful" they are being.

[Francisco]

The funny thing is, they attempted another run after and timed out at ~42% progress. When I was in there, they were at least on a pace to kill everything... they probably got butt hurt when they realized I was out parsing them all and was gonna place first.

[hexagram23]

I don't understand the concept of "we can win with 5, anyone else is leeching because we don't need them".

This logic makes zero sense to me. If you enter with 5, you're obviously a lock for the top 5 spots. If 1 other person enters, and "steals" your spot, is he leeching? The person who didn't place is leeching....the game doesn't care about popularity, how cool you are, or what LS you are in. It's 100% unbiased in that regard.

I'm not saying it's right, because it's not, but it is what it is. 5 other people that don't "need" you guys could enter 5 minutes after you, are they leeching or are you? Whether or not you "need" additional people or entered first is pointless because you can't claim the zone.

I dunno what's wrong with the servers you guys are on but I've ran into 0 trouble on Titan. If I sat here and really thought about it MAYBE I could think of something. I zone in, 5-6 guys are they, it's like "sup", they invite me, we win. End of story. NA, JPN, whoever the fuck....half these guys LSs don't even like each other, who cares? Maybe all the assholes and/or unrepentant leeches log on after I leave, who knows. I've finished Scythe, am 28/30 on GA, 16/30 on GS, and have other random coins that fell to me via 1-5 spots. With ZERO DRAMA. Hell, I've had more Friend List invites off WoE than I have in a long time.

I'm reading some of these responses and it's as if we're doing two totally different events.

[Darkmagi]

This is completely fucking retarded logic. Someone doing a key task, aka sack pulling is going to generally get rank 5. Some dickbag can come on in and fuck them out of a spot, while being completely unneeded. How do you not see this as leeching? Who cares how the event was supposed to be when it is clearly just not working that way? I'm highly expecting WoE to be revised to encourage teamwork rather than excluding extra people and out-casting them though.

[hexagram23]

This is completely fucking retarded logic. Someone doing a key task, aka sack pulling is going to generally get rank 5. Some dickbag can come on in and fuck them out of a spot, while being completely unneeded. How do you not see this as leeching?

Generally the only way a sack puller is going to rank 1-5 is if you only enter with 5....so why the fuck would the rest of your server sit outside and cater to this one person, who otherwise obviously woudn't place? Is it their fault the zone mechanics blow?

Again, it doesn't matter if YOU see them as needed. If you were the one handing out the top 5 spots that might matter.

You guys need to get this through your heads, this isn't 2004. This ain't Dragon's Aery. Nobody gives a fuck if you were there first, or can win with no help. The zone is 100% open to the public, 24/7. That's the nature of the beast. You enter with 5, you can win with 5....awesome. That means fuck all if someone else wants to enter and take a 1-5 spot, which isn't promised to you anyway. That's not automatically your 1-5 spot because you entered first, it's not your zone, I don't care if you're DD, sack puller, healer, or whatever the fuck.

[Plow]

I actually feel sac pullers getting screwed is the one valid argument, but on the same coin I know I personally would be more than willing to take turns sack pulling with people that aren't douches if I went as a "leech."

[Katoke]

Generally the only way a sack puller is going to rank 1-5 is if you only enter with 5....so why the fuck would the rest of your server sit outside and cater to this one person, who otherwise obviously woudn't place? Is it their fault the zone mechanics blow?

Again, it doesn't matter if YOU see them as needed. If you were the one handing out the top 5 spots that might matter.

You guys need to get this through your heads, this isn't 2004. This ain't Dragon's Aery. Nobody gives a fuck if you were there first, or can win with no help. The zone is 100% open to the public, 24/7. That's the nature of the beast. You enter with 5, you can win with 5....awesome. That means fuck all if someone else wants to enter and take a 1-5 spot, which isn't promised to you anyway. That's not automatically your 1-5 spot because you entered first, it's not your zone, I don't care if you're DD, sack puller, healer, or whatever the fuck.

You're an idiot. Why should they cater to the one person sac pulling whos pretty much assuring that the other people there lead a successful WINNING RUN. Your logic is so flawed and your other post is nearly as retarded as this one. Sac pullers get the shaft for doing all the work and leeches like you fuck them over. Try leading your own low man WoE group, see how it feels.

[Cream Soda]

The person who didn't place is leeching..

Stop posting.

Ranking isn't based on usefulness in the run. It's a simple system that can be exploited rather easily, especially by certain job combinations.

Need to kill 4 giant slimes to clear? Hey, guess what. The nin/dnc who doesn't touch a single one of those 4 big slimes, and grabs/solos a little one can easily outrank everyone on a mob that isn't even needed for completion of the run and wouldn't have been fought otherwise, thus adding 0 to the run whatsoever.

[Katoke]

Stop posting.

Ranking isn't based on usefulness in the run. It's a simple system that can be exploited rather easily, especially by certain job combinations.

Need to kill 4 giant slimes to clear? Hey, guess what. The nin/dnc who doesn't touch a single one of those 4 big slimes, and grabs/solos a little one can easily outrank everyone on a mob that isn't even needed for completion of the run and wouldn't have been fought otherwise, thus adding 0 to the run whatsoever.

Not only that , a PLD who comes in and fights ONE boss can rank #1, while you killed all of them, same shit goes with any job that can do a minuscule amount of damage and cure itself, DRG/WHM, DNC, BLU, etc... Hell even a melee WHM

[Plow]

It's too bad everyone in the world that's not in your 5 man clique is exactly as douchey as you and would never even remotely consider teaming up to cooperate with people so that everyone can benefit and nobody gets fucked.

[Cream Soda]

It's too bad everyone in the world that's not in your 5 man clique is exactly as douchey as you and would never even remotely consider teaming up to cooperate with people so that everyone can benefit and nobody gets fucked.

You obviously don't know any of the leeches on Sylph. Hell, when I have 5/5 and get a run or two done and someone has to leave, we have a leech who has a ton of jobs that can be used for the run. So we're 4/5, and can be 5/5 again if the person changes, but instead they choose to stay on the highest point scoring possible job, wait till I'm 5/5 again then just come follow to outrank everyone.

[Katoke]

You obviously don't know any of the leeches on Sylph. Hell, when I have 5/5 and get a run or two done and someone has to leave, we have a leech who has a ton of jobs that can be used for the run. So we're 4/5, and can be 5/5 again if the person changes, but instead they choose to stay on the highest point scoring possible job, wait till I'm 5/5 again then just come follow to outrank everyone.

This. It wouldn't matter much if people wanted to cooperate and assure the successful run of everyone, instead everyone is a selfish prick who stays on a job that doesnt do much, but can place high.

[arus2001]

I'll just laugh if SE changes it so mob aggro is applied to everyone in the zone instead of just a sac puller. Always felt it stupid people could exploit a win just by ignoring a large number of fodder. Most sac'ers I've bumped into are just mules of someone else, anyway. Fuck yeah 2x reward for 1.x the work.