Walk of Echoes

[zagex]

For a small group, if everyone is making multiple weapons, (eliminating "change at a pouch you need" factor) then it's much more efficient to kill the boss only and not spend extra time/manpower to full clear. Perhaps not everyone plans to make multiple weapons. I certainly don't have plans for it. However, if I end up getting 30 coins of another type due to personal chests, then I'm certainly going to take the time to camp some NMs and make a bitchin' weapon. One guy in my linkshell has half the coins for a weapon he wasn't main lotting.

Also, with a small group it would take more time, and probably an additional death pull, in order to fully clear the zone. Recently, we noticed that the 2 big leechers were doing their own linkshell events, so we quickly went into the zone in order to capitalize on the opportunity that we wouldn't be bothered. In this sense, we're not going to waste time killing babies and getting fewer chests just to see the small possibility of a single extra coin. Our goal is to kill the bosses asap and get in as many runs as possible before the leechers are done with their events.

You can't say that it's better for all groups to fully clear the zone because, although you believe that it's better for your group to, it's certainly not better for my group to do that.

[hexagram23]

You're an idiot. Why should they cater to the one person sac pulling whos pretty much assuring that the other people there lead a successful WINNING RUN. Your logic is so flawed and your other post is nearly as retarded as this one. Sac pullers get the shaft for doing all the work and leeches like you fuck them over. Try leading your own low man WoE group, see how it feels.

No, you're an idiot. I'm one of the main people that popularized WoE on Titan. "Lead your own WoE group", get the fuck out of here. I was leading WoE groups and probably finishing my first WoE trial before you even entered the zone, had the first zone 5 win on any server, and the 3rd or 4th Penitence+1 in existence. Know who you're talking to before you run your mouth.

Why should anyone cater to the person that YOU chose to be a sac puller, is what I mean. People are entering with 5 complaining that they don't need anyone else to win.....news flash, another group doesn't need you guys to win either. You arriving in the zone first means jack shit because you can't "claim" the zone, this isn't Dynamis or Limbus.

We usually switch jobs as they are needed. You don't place one run, you can switch to another job the next run. This works extremely well among complete strangers, but you guys don't want to cooperate with others, you want to zone in with 5 then whine and/or MPK anyone else that enters a 100% completely public zone. It's retarded. If you guys put even half as much effort into working with others as you did trying to keep them out you wouldn't have to sit here and whine about WoE for 30+ pages.

[arus2001]

Doesn't the event cooldown kind of negate the need to absolutely kill faster? All you really get from is more AFK time in between spamming.

[Plow]

It also negates the need to clear the boss and get out asap, if you *can* clear extra mobs there's no reason not to.

[Devolver]

I'm one of the main people that popularized WoE on Titan.

I don't think you just being there all the time constitutes you popularizing it. It made itself popular when the weapons were found to have a purpose. Also, shits vacant 90% of the times on Titan anyway.

[Guitarman]

I don't think you just being there all the time constitutes you popularizing it. It made itself popular when the weapons were found to have a purpose. Also, shits vacant 90% of the times on Titan anyway.

brb switching servers. shiva has a group in flux 2 99% of the time.

[zagex]

Why should anyone cater to the person that YOU chose to be a sac puller, is what I mean. People are entering with 5 complaining that they don't need anyone else to win.....news flash, another group doesn't need you guys to win either. You arriving in the zone first means jack shit because you can't "claim" the zone, this isn't Dynamis or Limbus.

On the other hand, a few days ago, our group of 5 started a run before a second group finished gathering. They only had 1 person in the zone while we were waiting for our last person to join. They killed some antlions while they waited for us to finish our slime run, and then sat around making it clear that they were entering slimes. Neither of our groups "claimed" the zone, but they left us alone, so we left them alone in return, and both of our groups were more or less satisfied. None of us were thrilled that we ended up doing 1 run each, but none of us dealt with the headache of 2 groups competing with each other.

If you guys put even half as much effort into working with others as you did trying to keep them out you wouldn't have to sit here and whine about WoE for 30+ pages.

If we say "wow this is such a well designed event" SE -might- read it and think they did a good job. If we say this event's design is pure crap, then they -might- read it and think about changing it.

[Babu]

You can't say that it's better for all groups to fully clear the zone because, although you believe that it's better for your group to, it's certainly not better for my group to do that.

The loot isn't worth shit so people are there only for coins. Clearing runs will get you more coins, period. That is everyone's purpose for being there so yes, it would be best for your group to do it. If you don't have the people for it that's one thing, but the benefit is obvious. As Arus said, the zone has a cooldown so you might as well try to take advantage. The extra 15 mins at most you'd spend clearing a run will also save you a few extra runs down the line.

If we say "wow this is such a well designed event" SE -might- read it and think they did a good job.

The only people who have an excusable reason to cry are relic holders. SE presented people with a way to get weapons... big, fuck off shiny weapons that match or surpass relic (currently) in a fraction of the time. I really can't place the blame on them for this event because regardless of the way they set it up, you can't please all of the people...

[zagex]

We're not always doing multiple runs, so the cooldown isn't always relevant. It might take more runs to get the same number of coins, but it's less overall time spent in the zone because ultimately, we're getting way more coins from chests than from singles.

I never said the rewards are bad, I said the way the event is designed is bad.

[Dooom]

I really can't place the blame on them for this event because regardless of the way they set it up, you can't please all of the people...

We're on page 41 of the thread. Since last update, most of the posts in this thread have been people arguing about "leeches" and the way SE designed the event, but people still feel that they have to do it if they want the best non-empyeran weapon for their job. That's a pretty clear indication to me of poor design, and I hope to hell that SE see this and change it somehow. All they need is an Ichor system for buying coins and some hints on how to open up new confluxes, and things will be much better.

[Guitarman]

We're on page 41 of the thread. Since last update, most of the posts in this thread have been people arguing about "leeches" and the way SE designed the event, but people still feel that they have to do it if they want the best non-empyeran weapon for their job. That's a pretty clear indication to me of poor design, and I hope to hell that SE see this and change it somehow. All they need is an Ichor system for buying coins and some hints on how to open up new confluxes, and things will be much better.

fairly simple to guess at how the fluxes are opened. 2 is far and away the most cleared/farmed zone, so 5 is open on most servers. i would guess 1 is tied to 4 opening, and 3 to 6, with 7 being the final destination once 456 are cleared enough to open it. unless you meant number of clears for those fluxes to open up, then i apologize. I would rather SE chill out the bosses in 1,3,5 (1300+ venom shower, same dmg gravitic horn etc is a far cry from the slimes) and go with instanced fluxes nyzul style to alleviate the problem vs an ichor system, but that's just me.

[ronin sparthos]

Getting rid of the patrol system should be priority #1. It's fucking stupid and forces people to bring a sac puller to an event where you're being evaluated constantly. Some of the bosses are also overpowered.

If SE wanted this to be hardcore content, they got their wish because the Cerb chamber is pretty much a wipe if you fail to stun Gates. The same goes for being Nerve Gas'd.

Really, the Bastion system of reward works in everyone's favor. You get points as soon as the mob dies which you can then spend whenever you feel like. This makes losing coins less of a kick in the pants when it inevitably happens.

[FailureMidgard]

fairly simple to guess at how the fluxes are opened. 2 is far and away the most cleared/farmed zone, so 5 is open on most servers. i would guess 1 is tied to 4 opening, and 3 to 6, with 7 being the final destination once 456 are cleared enough to open it. unless you meant number of clears for those fluxes to open up, then i apologize. I would rather SE chill out the bosses in 1,3,5 (1300+ venom shower, same dmg gravitic horn etc is a far cry from the slimes) and go with instanced fluxes nyzul style to alleviate the problem vs an ichor system, but that's just me.

Just as a side note, if you use ApRadar, there's Conflux #8-10 that are sitting there invisible, and one of those projected patches from early this year stated additions to WoE or something, so while your #s may look correct for now, I think that there will be 2 more t3 confluxes and 10 will be the "Odin" again. Alternatively, 7 is indeed the "Odin" and then there's going to be 3 more t3 confluxes separate, IDK.

[EjinCaitsith]

I would rather SE chill out the bosses in 1,3,5 (1300+ venom shower, same dmg gravitic horn etc is a far cry from the slimes)

If SE wanted this to be hardcore content, they got their wish because the Cerb chamber is pretty much a wipe if you fail to stun Gates. The same goes for being Nerve Gas'd.

SE also added Sentinel's Scherzo, which on top of a decent MDT/PDT set removes almost any chance of being 1shot.

[Poby]

Is there any feasible way for a DD to top consistently in Woe? Just wondering. I know for a fact I could place everytime if I went PLD, but sometimes for a group i'll go dd/sam instead and always cap out around 8k, even if I parse highest. any advice apreciate/sorry for ambiguity if comes off that way.

[Dooom]

fairly simple to guess at how the fluxes are opened. 2 is far and away the most cleared/farmed zone, so 5 is open on most servers. i would guess 1 is tied to 4 opening, and 3 to 6, with 7 being the final destination once 456 are cleared enough to open it. unless you meant number of clears for those fluxes to open up, then i apologize. I would rather SE chill out the bosses in 1,3,5 (1300+ venom shower, same dmg gravitic horn etc is a far cry from the slimes) and go with instanced fluxes nyzul style to alleviate the problem vs an ichor system, but that's just me.

Emphasis on guess. It's probably a safe assumption, but if after almost three months no servers have opened up 4, 6, or 7, then I think it's time for SE to throw us a hint. While my bet is on a total number of clears being needed, it must either require a stupid number of clears to unlock another chamber, or some other condition must be met too, which no one has any idea of afaik. Where this one month after update then I think "throw more clears at it!" would be a valid enough argument, but three months on, it's time for a clue. Especially as all this thread talks about now is how to get coins rather than how to open chambers, so there's not even any dialogue about it.

[Aragon of Odin]

Is there any feasible way for a DD to top consistently in Woe? Just wondering. I know for a fact I could place everytime if I went PLD, but sometimes for a group i'll go dd/sam instead and always cap out around 8k, even if I parse highest. any advice apreciate/sorry for ambiguity if comes off that way.

Our top DD's and our Healers are usually the ones to place. When we used to run with PLD's they'd always place first, but since we don't use em anymore it's usually a DD that places first.

[Aragon of Odin]

, but if after almost three months no servers have opened up 4, 6, or 7,

Pretty sure there's a few servers that have opened 4 or 6, I know we have(can't remember which one it is though, 4 or 6).

[Mazmaz]

So was it confirmed that if you go in and spam BRD songs on yourself you can wrack up alot of points/chest?

[Shenrien]

So was it confirmed that if you go in and spam BRD songs on yourself you can wrack up alot of points/chest?

I always go in brd/whm and spam energy drain with m.kris and songs, cure haste debuff and always cast dia 2 on shit, very easy to take rank this way.