Walk of Echoes

[ccf]

As long as the new scrolls are selling for 1m+, people will do it. As long as people have WoE weapons at +2, people will do them for dice. With everyone getting their own loot instead of worrying about leechers, people are more motivated.

It isn't just the gil, abyssea = more ppl on blm brd whm nin and if you aren't filled with 999 mil, farming those spells is pretty much the way.

[Churchill]

I think you're actually missing the point.

Aside from some of the other asinine statements in your original post, the one that I find the most outrageous is that now SMN is good for WoE. It was always good for WoE, and a few of them together could finish a weapon per person in 5-10 runs.

Nynja's statement wasn't even about anything you responded to to begin with. He was simply responding to other people who claim WoE can only be done with SMN's and BST's, which is false. We know it takes longer, but without 20 Avatar's on it the AoE are much more manageable. To call jobs like NIN and MNK "TP feeders" is beyond ridiculous.

[Celeste]

Vertical Conflux #11 is now open on Phoenix. Fun stuff, kill stuff, win.

[Shin Volcano]

I think you're actually missing the point.

Aside from some of the other asinine statements in your original post, the one that I find the most outrageous is that now SMN is good for WoE. It was always good for WoE, and a few of them together could finish a weapon per person in 5-10 runs.

Oh dear god, yes that is what im saying, SMN is only good and was always only good now, just right this second, that's is PRECISLY what i was talking about, i think you're the one missing the point, or just seeing what you want to see, but whatever, think what you like.

Nynja's statement wasn't even about anything you responded to to begin with. He was simply responding to other people who claim WoE can only be done with SMN's and BST's, which is false. We know it takes longer, but without 20 Avatar's on it the AoE are much more manageable. To call jobs like NIN and MNK "TP feeders" is beyond ridiculous.

I wasn't even responding to Nynja, you fail at reading comphenesion again. seriously. i was not even talking about if smn was only good for....you know what, forget it. Keep your bliss. Moving on.

Vertical Conflux #11 is now open on Phoenix. Fun stuff, kill stuff, win.

It also just opend on cerb today as well. now people swarm to 11 instead of 9 lol of course the lag is insane but w/e.

[Lyramion]

Well for now with all the mass orgy going on and SMN's pet feeding mad tp, its impossible for proper job to survive the TP spam from mobs.

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not saying smn is not good and cause lag etc etc but its do-able with "proper" jobs if you dont have 20 pets on it feeding mad tp

Could have intelligent SMNs only BP the mob for 0 TP then unsummon! Yet... it´s all in the land of dreams !

[Byrthnoth]

Are you guys living in some fantasy world where the random WoE melee wouldn't get brutally raped anyway?

Unless you're going to full-out coordinate an alliance of randoms and have a real tank and people smart enough to stay out of AoE range, throwing Summoners at it is the quickest and easiest way to get it done. In some cases (as Nynja points out), your real tank would get brutally raped anyway.

[Draylo]

I just wish the lag would go away... I really don't wanna have to .dat swap avatars to stupid shit like rabbits or something lol.

[Not Kuno]

Could have intelligent SMNs only BP the mob for 0 TP then unsummon! Yet... it´s all in the land of dreams !

Not if you need points to rank and the most points for 2 chests. Blame the game for such a shitty setup. Sometimes I'm up there hitting with my staff because, why the fuck not.

[Eldelphia]

Flux 11 Boss - Tapana

Spoiler: show

http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/4...6df1004283.jpg

[Lyramion]

Not if you need points to rank and the most points for 2 chests. Blame the game for such a shitty setup. Sometimes I'm up there hitting with my staff because, why the fuck not.

Wait? most points gets you 2 chests?

[NynJa]

Nynja's statement wasn't even about anything you responded to to begin with. He was simply responding to other people who claim WoE can only be done with SMN's and BST's, which is false. We know it takes longer, but without 20 Avatar's on it the AoE are much more manageable. To call jobs like NIN and MNK "TP feeders" is beyond ridiculous.

I wasnt saying it couldnt ONLY be done via smn, we all know that its not like that...but as I pointed out, all these new confluxes are full of, for lack of better term, gay moves.

Mandies you have to deal with Pirouette and more Doom bullshit (though it seems the rate of doom removal is pretty high)
Amphietre spam HP/MP down, and a lot of their TP moves seem to do roughly 1k dmg before buffs.
Turtles spam the shit out of Tortoise song, making buff maintenance almost impossible, and the bosses have a very high damage move to contend with (as I've pointed out, 2900 dmg).

You're either going to be constantly debuffed to uselessness, or...dead. As someone said, pets dont suffer from weakness

[Not Kuno]

Wait? most points gets you 2 chests?

Isn't that what people say? Fuck if I know, I certainly never got it.

[NynJa]

I've never seen a double chest, nor heard of it?

Best way to find out would be to try to sneak into #2 and find out yourself with 6 ppl?

[Not Kuno]

Maybe it was something I remember being said from ye olden days of a few weeks ago. I never did any WoE before the update so.. who knows. Guess I'm wrong.

[NynJa]

There used to be the placement caskets for #'s 1-5, and the main loot pool from killing the boss, if thats what you mean.

[Shin Volcano]

Now that i think about it, who would actually attempt any of the new cnfluxes like 9, 10, 8, and 11 with just meele, you would have a pretty fun time with that i'd imagine.

[Lyramion]

On another big note - if every SMN in there would give Alex to all people every 2 runs, melee could have some fun !

Seriously tho, if you are SMN be nice and give the poor ppl without a petjob Alex every 2 hour for boss battles. It´s nice !

[Not Kuno]

There used to be the placement caskets for #'s 1-5, and the main loot pool from killing the boss, if thats what you mean.

Oh. Whoops. My bad. D:

On another big note - if every SMN in there would give Alex to all people every 2 runs, melee could have some fun !

Seriously tho, if you are SMN be nice and give the poor ppl without a petjob Alex every 2 hour for boss battles. It´s nice !

I tried this once. I thought people were up there, but since there was a ton of lag/avatars, there was 1 actual person in range.

[Byrthnoth]

Yeah, good luck getting the melee to stand together. I've never had Alex or Fantatic's Powder hit more than a few people there, and I always cast them standing on the boss.

Hastega/Healing Wind/Spring Water spam seems to hit quite a few people though.

[Churchill]

It's funny but I'm watching what I consider to be one of the more garbage shells destroy fluxes 7-9 with no SMN and just melee+mages. Clear times in less than 5m