New things after update

[Shibo]

Bolters Roll does seem to stack with Mazurka though. Or maybe im just crazy.

It does stack with Mazurka. Had a cor land an 11 with mazurka on and it was ridiculously fast.

[Darkyrm]

To elaborate on the Swift Belt NM thing, none of the mobs have been changed at all. Fomors are almost entirely TW, some are at the lowest level of EP. NMs are easily soloable by almost anything (the SC+MB I did to it took off like 90% of its HP). There are spiders roaming the aqueducts now that con IT to 75 but they're ridiculously easily avoided.

So areas like sacrarium are super dumbed down now? Thats kind of sad ...

Although that might help people who need CoP missions I guess.

[Jkun]

Someone mentioned on alla pup forums, that with 5/5 automaton magic skill merits and level 76, PUP learns Thunder IV. ^_^

Shame all my god damn levelling so far is under a 75 cap on Colibri. Stuck at 75 skill yet I'm close to 78. Fuuuuuuuuuu.

[Oreth]

Im just thinking something, looking at alot of the new stuff they basically look like minor upgrades of what people already have. Why would they really fuck people over so much? People who have farmed or saved gil for top items in the game only for them to become shit that nobody will want?

For example

Triumph Earring +1 STR +2

at level 76 you then have Vulcans Earring+1 which is STR +3. This is more than likely the most retarded thing ever to literally fuck everyone over? I know there is a need for new gear with new level cap incrases but to really fuck some people over like this is retarded. I was never a really rich person in the game infact quite the opposite. Only in the last few months after more than 5 years playing iv started to get some nice items and become comfortable in some of the items i have gotten.

Other examples

Gigant > Aenotherus Mantle (DEF:4 HP+95 MP-30, LV 79 WHM BLM RDM PLD DRK SMN BLU SCH)

PCC > Ziel Charm (Accuracy+12 Evasion-8, LV 80 All Jobs)

Serket > Bifrost Ring (Converts 70 HP to MP, LV 78 All Jobs)

[Kilorilo]

Weird, Empty Seed just gave me a kind of "cure lock" freeze, but no movement.

The first 2 didn't knock me back, i had no shadows but took no dmg since i had SS on. But I was knocked back by some despite taking no dmg, guess its more of "additional effect: knockback" and procs less at higher levels ?

[tomdakilla]

That ram is used to make the Twashtar in magian trials.

Yeah assumed it would be for some trials, Was searching for Chesma though since I need that for GKT trials

[miokomioko]

I believe Empty Seed has always knocked you back only if you had shadows. It's something about interaction with shadows and whatnot...

[Damane]

Im just thinking something, looking at alot of the new stuff they basically look like minor upgrades of what people already have. Why would they really fuck people over so much? People who have farmed or saved gil for top items in the game only for them to become shit that nobody will want?

For example

Triumph Earring +1 STR +2

at level 76 you then have Vulcans Earring+1 which is STR +3. This is more than likely the most retarded thing ever to literally fuck everyone over? I know there is a need for new gear with new level cap incrases but to really fuck some people over like this is retarded. I was never a really rich person in the game infact quite the opposite. Only in the last few months after more than 5 years playing iv started to get some nice items and become comfortable in some of the items i have gotten.

Other examples

Gigant > Aenotherus Mantle (DEF:4 HP+95 MP-30, LV 79 WHM BLM RDM PLD DRK SMN BLU SCH)

PCC > Ziel Charm (Accuracy+12 Evasion-8, LV 80 All Jobs)

Serket > Bifrost Ring (Converts 70 HP to MP, LV 78 All Jobs)

Deal with it and move on. Gear progression = good.

[Kilorilo]

(DEF:4 HP+95 MP-30, LV 79 WHM BLM RDM PLD DRK SMN BLU SCH) [/B]

Ziel Charm (Accuracy+12 Evasion-8, LV 80 All Jobs)

Bifrost Ring (Converts 70 HP to MP, LV 78 All Jobs)

none of those are rare/ex ? delicious.

[Oreth]

Deal with it and move on. Gear progression = good.

Ok so the countless hours iv spent gaming / camping / farming for items which are shit, ill be lucky to make back half of what i spent... more than likely the new shit will be huge prices. Dont feel like moving on after nearly 6 years thanks just dissapointed a bit.

I know others are in the boat too but meh

[shen]

Deal with it and move on. Gear progression = good.

But still they just totally made millions of gil worth of gear obsolete on many characters. Speed Belt even.

When they told us not to worry about our gear with the upcoming level cap increase, I was sorta under the impression that we could augment it through TotM. Would be much better off augmenting a Triumph Earring for STR +1 (without the FoV crap, just straight up do a quest, choose an augment, done). IMO, it'd stimulate the economy rather than send everything to crap. Look at Blau/Hagun prices.

And its not like a huge deflation either, like back when NQ Scorp Harnesses were 15-30M, it's just everyone dumping the good items... and its confusing the player base.

[Dammerung]

Hit BLM 80, only time I got more INT was 78. 72 base at lv75, 74 base at lv80 -_-

[BerenTebogo]

Ok so the countless hours iv spent gaming / camping / farming for items which are shit, ill be lucky to make back half of what i spent... more than likely the new shit will be huge prices. Dont feel like moving on after nearly 6 years thanks just dissapointed a bit.

I know others are in the boat too but meh

Yes, move the fuck on. You had plenty of time and warning to unload some of the more pricey gear. The speculation and discussion that has gone on, intelligently, has been done so in good faith.

If you sat on items like Speed Belt, knowing that SE has been making stronger and stronger attempts to outdate everything we've had for 6+ years then you're an idiot. Plain and simple. On the verge on possibly game-breaking updates, ie. 4 months beforehand, if you sell your dusk gloves +1 for 25 million and then wait til the update to see if broken or not, you can always buy them back for 25 million or maybe even a touch less. If they DO get broken, you can sit back and chuckle heartily at your stack of well-earned cash.

If you decline to take initiatives such as those then you have no right to bitch.

Period.

[Dontkare]

You coming back to play with the new update sath?

[Yugl]

I kept most of my items, but sold a few. The main reason being that I want to reach 80 without XPing in ridiculous gear just because it's cheap.

[BerenTebogo]

You coming back to play with the new update sath?

I was half-considering it until I saw the Bravura trials. I may eventually get on long enough to run myself to Gustav Tunnel or some shit and just do like 10-20 killshots a day, but no, I won't be back fulltime I don't think.

Too much other stuff to do, really.

[shen]

Yes, move the fuck on. You had plenty of time and warning to unload some of the more pricey gear. The speculation and discussion that has gone on, intelligently, has been done so in good faith.

If you sat on items like Speed Belt, knowing that SE has been making stronger and stronger attempts to outdate everything we've had for 6+ years then you're an idiot. Plain and simple. On the verge on possibly game-breaking updates, ie. 4 months beforehand, if you sell your dusk gloves +1 for 25 million and then wait til the update to see if broken or not, you can always buy them back for 25 million or maybe even a touch less. If they DO get broken, you can sit back and chuckle heartily at your stack of well-earned cash.

If you decline to take initiatives such as those then you have no right to bitch.

Period.

Well, with SE doing stuff like augmenting quests and synergy, there was always the possibility of items jumping UP in price too... maybe not Dusk Gloves +1/Speed Belt but Triumph Earrings/etc yeah.

You have a point to an extent, but I don't think SE ever intended us to sit around naked from Vanafest 2010 -> Update Day in fear of the economy. That would discourage subscriptions... but no they'd rather surprise us with a screw over.

Relics/Mythics, for the most part, were not made obsolete... I would have liked to see some old gear upgrade-able as well (In fact I think they implied it in an interview that we need not worry about our efforts gone to waste over the past 6 years).

I also agree with Yugl, I need something to party in >.>

[Hyan]

efforts gone to waste over the past 6 years

Do you completely suck now with STR+3 earrings around?

[Oreth]

Yes, move the fuck on. You had plenty of time and warning to unload some of the more pricey gear. The speculation and discussion that has gone on, intelligently, has been done so in good faith.

If you sat on items like Speed Belt, knowing that SE has been making stronger and stronger attempts to outdate everything we've had for 6+ years then you're an idiot. Plain and simple. On the verge on possibly game-breaking updates, ie. 4 months beforehand, if you sell your dusk gloves +1 for 25 million and then wait til the update to see if broken or not, you can always buy them back for 25 million or maybe even a touch less. If they DO get broken, you can sit back and chuckle heartily at your stack of well-earned cash.

If you decline to take initiatives such as those then you have no right to bitch.

Period.

I dont think i was savvy to the intelligent conversation and fair warning discussion that went on here, i must of missed it all sorry.

Im pretty certain i was given the impression by SE that the gear we have worked hard to obtain over the years would be adjustable but maybe i and many others took that wrong and should of taken it more with a grain of salt. The only reason i didnt sell it all is because i was actively using it and i worked hard to obtain some of the items i was happy to use them.

I do agree there needs to be new gear progression and its good for the game but i simply dont have more than 2/3 hours a night (if im lucky) to dedicate to this game anymore. If someone literally shelled out 100m in the last year to upgrade their jobs and gear and where at a point that they where happy and proud that they achieved some things then this is nothing more than a kick in the balls.

At the end of the day if thats the situation thats the situation, im just a bit dissapointed only because i know most the new gear will follow the same trend and sit on huge prices for months on end.

[BerenTebogo]

Well, with SE doing stuff like augmenting quests and synergy, there was always the possibility of items jumping UP in price too... maybe not Dusk Gloves +1/Speed Belt but Triumph Earrings/etc yeah.

You have a point to an extent, but I don't think SE ever intended us to sit around naked from Vanafest 2010 -> Update Day in fear of the economy. That would discourage subscriptions... but no they'd rather surprise us with a screw over.

Relics/Mythics, for the most part, were not made obsolete... I would have liked to see some old gear upgrade-able as well (In fact I think they implied it in an interview that we need not worry about our efforts gone to waste over the past 6 years).

I also agree with Yugl, I need something to party in >.>

My point is that the downgrade from something like dusk +1 to NQ for whatever you use your melee jobs for for a short period of time isn't the end of the world. If you then have to turn around and sell the +1s for like 500k (panther mask +1's for those of your veteran enough to remember this example) or Thief Knife etc, for the newer players, you end up really fucking yourself on the ability to purchase newer gear.

It's always a safe bet, as I don't think there has been a single update in 4 years that has made the price of any of the rare DD craftables go up, but there have been many that have gone down or crashed completely.

Now would I bother unloading PCC and the like? Probably not, and I'd be left holding the bag this update on that, but I'd rather eat 1.5m loss over 25-40m on multiple pieces. Shouldn't have a speed belt these days anyways, sell it for 40m and go spend two weeks at KA and buy one for 15. Bam, profit.

Edit: Ahead of time, FoV has not made the price of any HQs inflate on any level. Items like Warwolf belt, atillia earring, nq weskits, etc have all skyrocketed, but the prices of genies has remained stable. As has almost all other craftable HQ. The scale of people buying up triumph earrings en masse to augment is so astronomically small as to not impact the market on a day to day basis anymore than the 2-3 people per server who craft them going on a bad streak for a week and only churning out 1 HQ that week.