Empyreans weapons

[jimbobsonofgod]

Player X uses Primeval Brew.

Player X is paralyzed.

Player X uses Primeval Brew.

Nothing happens.

Next update

Player X uses Primeval Brew.

Player X Attains level 81.

[Shenrien]

Player X uses Primeval Brew.

Player X Falls to the ground.

Player X Falls to Lv79
Player X Falls to Lv78
Player X Falls to Lv77
...
...
Player X Falls to Lv7

anyhow, I thought this thread was about Empyrean Weapons and not Primeval Brew.

[Malacite]

Shen beat me to it (sorta)....


Was gonna say it'd be fucking hilarious if it reset you to level 1....


And then the bomb/anthrax threats would start.

[Nameless]

I don't see how the OAT scythe with 82 dmg isn't anywhere close to the discussion as being one of the best available if not the best.

[Mercilessturtle]

It is the best. OAT > empyrean, STP (/sam), str. The differences in the latter 3 are small enough that I'm not positive which is really better.

[Malacite]

It is the best.

For now. Watch the Empyrean Weapons get insane buffs next update (presumably level 90 Relic/Mythics as well)

[Shenrien]

For now. Watch the Empyrean Weapons get insane buffs next update (presumably level 90 Relic/Mythics as well)

Still no sight of the TP Bonus augment, perhaps we'll see that on the Empyrean Weapons?

[orson]

For now. Watch the Empyrean Weapons get insane buffs next update (presumably level 90 Relic/Mythics as well)

It's hard to say depends on how smart SE is really. OAT weapons may not have unique models yet but they do require HNM drops just like the Empyrean weapons. All depends on what buffs each gets or where each path goes. Hell Empyrean weapons might end up having multiple paths too.

[Plow]

I dunno if this is the place for this or not, but kind of fits what's being discussed:

Do we have any reason not to believe that the oathrice are leading up to the 2-4 times augment?

[Julian]

No one knows, really.

Honestly, I think SE just threw on the "Empyrean Weapon" name just like how they threw on "Amazing new weaponskills!" onto crappy new WS's. Just getting people excited for normal content.

[orson]

I don't know it doesn't seem that way too me SE wouldn't have made them nearly as hard to get if they didn't want them to be something special, imo. The OAT which are superior atm actually require less HNM kills of lower tier NMs but then again SE is pretty bad at balancing shit. Mythic's are definitely not worth the effort for the most part compared to new TotM weapons.

[miokomioko]

I dunno if this is the place for this or not, but kind of fits what's being discussed:

Do we have any reason not to believe that the oathrice are leading up to the 2-4 times augment?

I am willing to bet [Occasionally Attacks 2 to 4 times] will land on some shitty augmented Ceremonial Dagger from a gold Sturdy Pixis in Abyssea-Dangruf Wadi. Perhaps Empyrean Weapons could eventually be at the end of each magian trial path with appropriate augments based on the path, and they just showed simply up earlier on the high-DMG path because of their base stats being high-DMG already.

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[Atoreis]

No one knows, really.

Honestly, I think SE just threw on the "Empyrean Weapon" name just like how they threw on "Amazing new weaponskills!" onto crappy new WS's. Just getting people excited for normal content.

Well generalize is bad thing.

Tornado Kick is awesome
Sanguine Blade has very big potential
Sonic thrust is one of the best 1 hit ws in game in addicion its frontal aoe
Refulgant Arrow beats Sidewinder on 300TP
Flash Nova seems to have very high enmity ( i would find many good things you can do with this especially on higher lvls )

Thats only 5 but 5 is not 0.

[Julian]

I meant more along the lines of that these are just mostly regular random WS's that you learn at some random skill level. There's no problem with it, it's just that they introduced them in a way like, you would expect them to be special. Kind of the same way the Empyrean weapons were also introduced.

[Malacite]

My best on the OAT stuff is the OAT with +DMG will receive yet more +DMG this coming update, but a good deal more than last time finally ending with a 3rd swing.

The OA2~3 will top out at 2-4, and the Empyrans I'm guessing will be some sort of Hybrid of Relic & Mythic.

That is, very high DPS, maybe a unique WS/AM, and a ridiculously OP Job buff (like say Berserk goes up to 40% or increases DA rate?)


I don't see the Relics, Mythics or Empyreans ever getting a flat out OAT mod, because that would be just plain crazy. Unless SE doesn't give a shit about powercreep anymore (which they clearly do or they wouldn't have neutered accession)

[chazzyphizzle]

(which they clearly do or they wouldn't have neutered accession)

yes, clearly an accession nerf means relics wont get an OAT buff.

[Zag]

yes, clearly an accession nerf means relics wont get an OAT buff.

Malacite strikes again cause everytime he posts something whether in LS chat in Party chat or on the forums, its retarded. I do see relics getting OAT one day since the other weapons will have 2-4x with high DMG at lvl99.

I also predict mythic might pass relic if aftermath goes up 1 min each update. (120 secs, 3 mins lvl 80, 4 mins lvl 85, 5 mins lvl 90, 6 mins lvl 95, 6 min 30 sec lvl 99), then relic would need OAT fulltime to keep up. Seeing as aftermath is increased 1 min already at lvl 80 mythic, that is more logical then saying relics will never get OAT because they nerfed aoe haste on sch... They also gave blue mage an aoe 15% haste this update with their merit JA and increased SMNs hastega duration so that means diddly squat.

[Atoreis]

retarded 6 min 30 sec lvl 99 then relic would need OAT fulltime to keep up

Oh yeah so relic with their base dmg higher (beside sword) and hidden 2-3x proc and acc/att +25 with full time oat would KEEP UP with something that has lower dmg , no hidden, no att/acc and still need 300% from time to time to make OAT.

+1 min to duration of aftermath could just be general improve not necessery something that will start the path.
If the relics will get OAT Mythic should actually get more dmg then relics to make them fairly equal ( in term of dmg ) and SE statment was clear I think Relics are weapons that hits hardest in game. They could also make mythic aftermath from all lvls stacks but thats just speculating. OAT on relics (assuming they will stay on top of DMG ) will be madness. Once again even if dps of 2-4 weapon would be slightly greater then Relics I highly doubt SE see this in way as players do (compering pure dmg on something that is made for more then pure dmg ) If Apoc will slightly lose a parse in tp burn to 2-4 scythe that will be something bad? Relics are not made to best on everything they are made to be best overall. Go tank HNM with 2-4 hit scythe. Go solo something stronger w/o Cata etc. best laugh i have from ppl who wanted to kill me when I said Bravura > other gaxe not cuz of 4 dmg more but cuz of abbility to pop MT for aftermath, double light etc. and someone wanted to kill me for that now when bravura got dmg+ trials same ppl refuse to do trials cuz its only few dmg more but they spent 150M to be 3 dmg above other weapons before trials came out. Now kill me again for my wierd point of view

[Atomic Skull]

Vajra is not going to beat Mandau so long as you have to use Mandalic Stab to get the Aftermath effect. Not unless they make it higher DMG/lower delay than Mandau, which I don't see happening.

Likewise, Gastraphetes isn't going to beat Annihilator because trueflight is horribly shitty and because of Coronach's -enmity aftermath in addition to the WS being low enmity itself.


I can't imagine SE would put OAT on the relics. OAT Mandau/Magian in the hands of a THF with 20% or more haste gear and DW3 would be madness. OAT Kikoku/Magian with DW5 (assuming SE adds DW5, which seems likely) would be even more insane.

[Malacite]

lol Zag, I blisted you in-game for a reason you twat. SE isn't stupid enough to put an automatic multi-hit clause on a Relic-level weapon; that would be horribly game breaking.

As for Vajra not beating Mandau that remains to be seen IMO; the original versions yeah Mandau won no contest, but the final Vajra has "enhances sneak attack & trick attack II"

That, on top of the new +crit damage trait (5% roughly?) could be the deal breaker who knows. And speaking of that trait (off topic I know, sorry) does it make X's knife better or worse in the offhand, especially compared to the OA2~3 dagger? (Has that thing dropped M. Kris price at all yet?)


Speaking of prices, I find it very strange that rather than decreasing the prices on HQ staves have actually gone up. Now, I expected Terra & Jupiter to go up from Stone V/Water V (typically update gouging) but not all the others... guess people can't be bothered to do Indra and the others? I was hoping to score some cheap HQ staves since I need 'em for both BLM & SMN and my inventory is already way too much of a cluster fuck. ><


EDIT: Forgot to point out that the level 80 relics also had their AM durations increased by 30:30:60s which I'm pretty sure should have a dramatic increase on performance and should justify storing up for AM3.