New Weaponskill Data Topic

[Ophannus]

So it's basically a gimp Cannibal Blade?

[Spider-Dan]

I'm surprised at Refulgent Arrow vs. Numbing Shot; it's the first time in a long time that SE has openly dicked Marksmanship instead of Archery (then again, RNG and COR main marks while only RNG mains archery, so...). 300TP Refulgent appears to be better than Slugwinder across the board, which might actually matter if Fencer works with ranged attacks.

[eva00r]

If that was with dual wield? or darkday or dark weather?

Dual wield but it doesn't matter anyway, and no weather, not darkday

[Shrugz]

quick test on Hercules Slash... as expected, 1 MAB = 1% dmg.
thanks SE... utterly worthless. maybe if i pump my MAB up to 50% i'll be able to one shot a goblin in gustaberg..

[Priran]

Tornado Kick isn't a half-bad WS and seems to share Dragon Kick's use of your foot's DMG rating if you have Footwork active.

I was able to get it up to around 1500 damage on a campaign mob at 300% TP and a WS set that assumes STR/VIT mods.

[Atoreis]

Dual wield but it doesn't matter anyway, and no weather, not darkday

Hmmm with 75+68 STR I did 318 on too weak (constantly)
I wonder what affects yours then that you do so much?

[Masamune]

Hmmm with 75+68 STR I did 318 on too weak (constantly)
I wonder what affects yours then that you do so much?

Me too around same numbers as Atoreis. I wonder if Eva00r pumped up some MaB equips/traits, obis, INT+ or MND+ etc... to get those numbers on Sanguine Blade ?

[Rena]

Finished up Sanguine Blade damage testing. Primary mod is INT, with a 2.0 multiplier. fTP is 2.0. Secondary mods are 30% STR and 50% MND.

[finzenku]

804 damage Sanguine is as high as I've gotten on too weak mobs. 65-6 STR (lolmahatma slops) 61+62 INT, 67+50 MND, 51 MAB from trait/gear/memento mori
Debuffs used: Enervation, Blazing Bound, and Sound Blast
Spells were set to focus on int+ and mnd+. No darksday or dark weather
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...sanguine-2.png

[Motenten]

Redid a new set of Tornado Kick numbers. Used /thf this time to reduce error, and reconfigured TP build and target mobs to always get exact values. Would appreciate review/confirmation of my conclusions.

Summary

fTP: 2.25
Mods: 37.5% STR / 30% VIT

Source Data:

Spoiler: show

Reference values:
Max crit: 3.15 pDIF
Min crit: ~2.7 pDIF
Most crits: 3.0+ (min/max ratio of 1.05)
Full Min/Max ratio: 3.15/2.7 = ~1.166

alpha confirmed as 0.85 at level 80.

H2H skill: 315 (37 base dmg, 55 base footwork dmg, 63 base damage with fStr added)
Str: 68
Vit: 70
[WSC = 41 if 30% str, 40% vit]
Store TP: +11 >> 100.8 TP per weaponskill

Baseline: +5 str, +0 vit, Footwork, no kick shoes
727
697
694
684
724
711

Seem to be staying in the 3.0+ range (1.063 min/max ratio), so taking 727 as peak. That puts base at 231.


Add damage: KKs (+25)
902
900
852
870
879
773
776

902/773 = 1.167, should be full range, so 902 is peak, and 287 base.

287 - 231 = 56
56 / 25 = 2.24

With rounding, can comfortably say that fTP is 2.25.


Add vit: Genbu's Kabuto + Melee Cape + Bibiki Seashell = +24 vit. No kick shoes
698
756
743
765
658

Ratio is 1.163, so treating 765 as peak. That makes base 243.

243 - 231 = 12 point increase in base from 24 vit.

12 / 2.25 (fTP) = 5.3

5.3 / .85 (alpha) = 6.3

6.3 / 24 = 25%


Reset, add str: Pallas, Black Belt, Forager's, Usu legs for +24 str. No kick shoes.
715
748
749
741
775
768
772

741 to 775 is about 5%, which covers the majority of the results.

775 peak is 247 base.

247 - 231 = 16

16 / 2.25 = 7.1

7.1 / .85 = 8.4

8.4 / 24 = ~35% Str


Estimating max values using slight variances on the mods:

Base: 63 dmg
Str: 68+29=97
Vit: 70

Assuming 35% Str/25% Vit:

97*.35 + 70*.25 = 51 * .85 = 43
(63+43) * 2.25 * 3.15 = 751
too low

Assuming 35% Str/30% Vit:

97*.35 + 70*.30 = 54 * .85 = 45
(63+45) * 2.25 * 3.15 = 765
too low

Assuming 40% Str/30% Vit:

97*.40 + 70*.30 = 59 * .85 = 50
(63+50) * 2.25 * 3.15 = 800
too high

Assuming 40% Str/25% Vit:

97*.40 + 70*.25 = 56 * .85 = 47
(63+47) * 2.25 * 3.15 = 779
good (775 max)


Base: 63 dmg
Str: 68+5=73
Vit: 70+24=94

Assuming 40% Str/25% Vit:

73*.40 + 94*.25 = 52 * .85 = 44
(63+44) * 2.25 * 3.15 = 758
slightly low (got 765 max)
another +1 would cap at 765
so 53-54 before alpha
35% str/30% vit would match


Assuming 37.5% Str/30% Vit:
73*.375 + 94*.30 = 55 * .85 = 46
(63+46) * 2.25 * 3.15 = 772
good (got 765)

Retry Str set:
97*.375 + 70*.30 = 57 * .85 = 48
(63+48) * 2.25 * 3.15 = 786
good (got 775)

Base set:
73*.375 + 70*.30 = 48 * .85 = 40
(63+40) * 2.25 * 3.15 = 730
good (got 727)

KKs set:
73*.375 + 70*.30 = 48 * .85 = 40
(88+40) * 2.25 * 3.15 = 907
good (got 902)

[Cream Soda]

Do we have a torque for tornado kick yet?

[Colenzo]

BREEZE GORGET

[Motenten]

thunder/breeze/snow

[Cream Soda]

Any others?

I have
Soil, snow, flame, shadow, thunder

[eva00r]

INT/MND/MAB set increase a lot more Sanguin's Blade damage than focusing on pure STR. Full Morrigan is definitely the winner since it gives all the stats you need. Resist rate depends on INT and most damage depends on MND.

BLU/RDM is ideal for both stats and trait bonus. If you really wanna spam Sanguin, the best sword combo is Antea OAT/Khanda OA2-3. -Or- dual INT/MAB magian sword if you don't want to feed that much TP.

I bet you can pump damage to 700 consistent with INT/MAB magian swords setup.

[Masamune]

Finished up Sanguine Blade damage testing. Primary mod is INT, with a 2.0 multiplier. fTP is 2.0. Secondary mods are 30% STR and 50% MND.

If i understand correctly your post, Sanguine Blade doesnot have 2 mods, but 3 ? /surprised

Also can you post your test numbers please.

Good job Motenten as always on TK test^^

[Onorgul]

I believe he's noting that as a magical weaponskill, it is modified by INT in addition to having STR and MND as secondary modifiers.

[Masamune]

I believe he's noting that as a magical weaponskill, it is modified by INT in addition to having STR and MND as secondary modifiers.

That's what i understood too, but what surprised me is usually ALL WSs have only 2 modifiers.

[Karbuncle]

Fat chance, but any info on the Staff WS?

[Onorgul]

That's what i understood too, but what surprised me is usually ALL WSs have only 2 modifiers.

Not exactly true. Many weaponskills have three modifiers, but we don't think of fSTR as a modifier (since it doesn't apply the same was as, say, DEX does to Penta Thrust). For magical weaponskills, in place of fSTR, they have fINT.